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  1. #41
    Pete Green African Astronaut
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Totse was chalk full of government agents on the inside.

    they actually seemed to have either arrested people or hired them.
    Zok and Susy are good examples
  2. #42
    Ghast Houston
    Originally posted by Pete Green they actually seemed to have either arrested people or hired them.
    Zok and Susy are good examples

    bla bla bla

    Originally posted by Pete Green That would require Jeff to actually give a shit about what happens on his board. He never has, and he never will. That's why TOTSE went to shit back when it was a dial-up board – Jeff just didn't give a damn what happened on his board. It was just a place for him to hang out 'whenever', and he expected it to magically run itself. That only worked when there was a community of users who wanted to be there, and who were capable of shouting down idiots when they showed up.

    yyou're full of shit as always. HERE'S SOME MROE PROOOOFF

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    Date : Thu May 01, 04:40 scn
    From : NIRVANAnet(tm) 9:900/0
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    Subj : NIRVANAnet(tm) Echo Errata
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    Echo Name : NNSTUFF - General Discussion and Chatting
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    How to Argue Effectively:

    I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an
    argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this and
    steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect,
    they don't even invite me. You too can win arguments. Simply follow
    these rules:

    * Drink liquor.

    Suppose you are at a party and some hotshot intellectual is expounding
    on the economy of Peru, a subject you know nothing about. If you're
    drinking some health-fanatic drink like grapefruit juice, you'll hang
    back, afraid to display your ignorance, while the hotshot enthralls
    your date. But if you drink several large martinis, you'll discover
    you have STRONG VIEWS about the Peruvian economy. You'll be a WEALTH
    of information. You'll argue forcefully, offering searing insights and
    possibly upsetting furniture. People will be impressed. Some may leave
    the room.

    * Make things up.

    Suppose, in the Peruvian economy argument, you are trying to prove
    that Peruvians are underpaid, a position you base solely on the fact
    that YOU are underpaid, and you'll be damned if you're going to let a
    bunch of Peruvians be better off. DON'T say: "I think Peruvians are
    underpaid." Say instead: "The average Peruvian's salary in 1981
    dollars adjusted for the revised tax base is $1,452.81 per annum,
    which is $836.07 before the mean gross poverty level."

    NOTE: Always make up exact figures.

    If an opponent asks you where you got your information, make THAT up
    too. Say: "This information comes from Dr. Hovel T. Moon's study for
    the Buford Commission published on May 9, 1982. Didn't you read it?"
    Say this in the same tone of voice you would use to say, "You left
    your soiled underwear in my bathroom."

    * Use meaningless but weighty-sounding words and phrases.

    Memorize this list:

    Let me put it this way
    In terms of
    Vis-a-vis
    Per se
    As it were
    Qua
    So to speak

    You should also memorize some Latin abbreviations such as "Q.E.D.",
    "e.g.", and "i.e." These are all short for "I speak Latin, and you
    don't."

    Here's how to use these words and phrases. Suppose you want to say,
    "Peruvians would like to order appetizers more often, but they don't
    have enough money."

    You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you
    say, "Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis
    Peruvians qua Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so
    to speak, but they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D."

    Only a fool would challenge that statement.

    * Use snappy and irrelevant comebacks.

    You need an arsenal of all-purpose irrelevant phrases to fire back at
    your opponents when they make valid points. The best are:

    You're begging the question.
    You're being defensive.
    Don't compare apples to oranges.
    What are your parameters?

    This last one is especially valuable. Nobody (other than engineers and
    policy wonks) has the vaguest idea what "parameters" means.

    Here's how to use your comebacks:

    You say: As Abraham Lincoln said in 1873...
    Your opponent says: Lincoln died in 1865.
    You say: You're begging the question.

    You say: Liberians, like most Asians...
    Your opponent says: Liberia is in Africa.
    You say: You're being defensive.

    * Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler.

    This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously
    right and you are spectacularly wrong. Bring Hitler up subtly. Say,
    "That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say," or
    "You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."

    So that's it. You now know how to out-argue anybody. Do not try to
    pull any of this on people who generally carry weapons.


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  3. #43
    Ghast Houston


    It later expanded to include other eclectic BBSs that valued liberty and privacy, including realitycheckBBS, The New Dork Sublime, My Dog Bit Jesus(Berkeley-Oakland—Dittany/Susan), Lies Unlimited(S.San Francisco-Mick Freen)(later Salt Lake City, Utah), Sea of Noise, El Observador, The Salted Slug, The Lair (Boise, Idaho), Burn This Flag(San Jose-Zardoz), The Stage, Tomorrows Order of Magngitude (Mountain View-Palo Alto--finger_man) and others.

    The initial NirvanaNET(tm) 1990 core consisted of : Jeff/Taipan, Joe Russack/Dr. Strangelove, Poindexter Fortran (taking over from Count Zero Interrupt), and Dittany of Crete were the primary founding members. &TOTSE closed its node function around 1998; several online "attempts to recreate an online database" were claimed to be imposters by original founding members who are named on the trademark application (now expired). &TOTSE (Temple Of The Screaming Electron) was—if functioning—a members-only BBS by 2000. Both node and voice functions were discontinued or changed before 1999. Even only nine (9) years old, it was one of the older BBS networks. See 'FIDONET' BBS started by Tom Jennings.

    Jeff Hunter was an aka inspired originally by an actor's name, Captain of the first Star Trek premiere.

    A 1993 article in the Contra Costa Times described TOTSE (and other NirvanaNet BBS nodes) as "an information network providing criminal insights to anyone with a phone, personal computer and modem." offer(ing) hundreds of files providing instructions on credit card fraud, money laundering, mail fraud, counterfeiting, drug smuggling, cable-TV theft, bomb-making and murder."

    Computer Underground Digest subsequently obtained an interview with Zardoz, sysop of Burn This Flag BBS, who provided this description of the network:
    Our BBS network, NIRVANAnet, started several years ago with three systems in the Bay Area that had the same basic philosophies. It was decided that since their message bases were very similar, and since they all shared the same basic philosophies on how to run a BBS system (no registration, trust your users, freedom of speech reigns supreme, knowledge should be available to everyone, no discrimination based on age, sex, religion, drug use, or mental stability, etc.) they decided to form NIRVANAnet. The network has since grown to seven systems (with six operational and one currently relocating). The original premise is still alive with what we believe is one of the best message bases offered in the country. We allow and encourage user aliases, which in turn promotes a level of honesty and frankness that would be otherwise absent from the discussion areas. We pride ourselves on believing that a user can dial up a bulletin board without giving up their identity and/or personal privacy. Here is the current list of NIRVANAnet systems... Burn This Flag 408/363-9766 San Jose Zardoz &TOTSE 510/935-5845 Walnut Creek Jeff Hunter realitycheck 510/527-1662 Albany Poindexter Fortran Lies Unlimited *JUST-MOVED* ???????? Mick Freen My Dog Bit Jesus 510/658-8078 Berkeley Suzanne d'Fault New Dork Sublime 415/864-DORK San Francisco Demented Pimiento The Shrine 408/747-0778 Sunnyvale Tom Joseph
  4. #44
    Ghast Houston
    have you been following ENIGMAS rules and staying true to the spirit of totse? I think not ... I THINK NOT!!!!

    Stay intoxicated. That is, stay intoxicated if you already are
    intoxicated, and if you are not already intoxicated, then get
    intoxicated! Unless, of course, you don't want to.
    * Tri two spel thngs kerectly whin posybell.
    * Messages pertaining to, or encouraging, illegal activities,
    including, but not limited to, hacking, "phreaking," and software
    piracy, are tolerated as long as there isn't something illegal in
    them, but really, that stuff is generally too goddamn boring anyway.
    * "Flaming" of other participants is discouraged. Please be
    tolerant of others' views and opinions, no matter how much they
    differ from your own. Unless someone really pisses you off or
    something – then fry'm IN THE FLAME ECHO!
    * Real names are discouraged. If, however, you ABSOLUTELY MUST
    use your real name, then sign your messages using your handle.
    * If you can't think of anything nice to say, say something confusing.
    * Disregard these rules.
  5. #45
    Pete Green African Astronaut
    in 1992-93 Ted Gunderson who had already Retired from the FBI was actively investigating NirvanaNet and was most interested in My Dog Bit Jesus

    Oddly it is said she went to work for the FBI.
  6. #46
    Ghast Houston
    Originally posted by Pete Green in 1992-93 Ted Gunderson who had already Retired from the FBI was actively investigating NirvanaNet and was most interested in My Dog Bit Jesus

    Oddly it is said she went to work for the FBI.

    WHo cares, they didnt do anything illegal and jeff made sure to cover his ass. Notice the copyright on every totse website. HE was registered as a free press "the totse free press" I read it somewhere but a demon altereed the page so you can't find it n o more but its true. The totse free press. Because they were essentially acting as a publisher for anyone for free by hosting any text file. You think it's some conspiracy but he was part of people standing up and telling the government to fuck off, get your handsoff our shit you god damned niggers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_n_Edie%27s_BBS#Quotations
    The SPA should protect the BBS operator from having equipment confiscated. These are computers, not drugs or illegal weapons! The rationale means any PC Magazine reader suspected of having pirated software may have a PC confiscated. As in Stalin's Russia, it only takes a tip from an unfriendly neighbor. The SPA is that neighbor today. A disgruntled employee or jilted lover will be that neighbor tomorrow
    — John C. Dvorak, PC Magazine

    BECAUSE WE PRESS YOU FOR FREEE


    Critics Rave and Drool About &TOTSE

    [& the] Temple of the Screaming Electron: Probably the largest
    non-Internetworked repository of computer hacking, subversive,
    conspiratorial information in the United States. If you want
    information, and don't have access to the Internet, this is your
    one-stop shopping convience.

    - Mondo 2000, A User's Guide to the New Edge

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    NIRVANAnet(tm): & the Temple of the Screaming Electron (which bills
    itself as "raw data for raw nerves"), cited in this column before as
    home of the irreverent and off-the-wall message area name (and currently
    the home of "My Hair is Very Pretty"), is the milk and honey mothership
    of an equally off-the-wall Bay Area network called NIRVANAnet(tm).

    BBS membership in NIRVANAnet(tm) is small and seems to be quite fluid.
    Member boards agree to allow immediate validation of users and the use
    of handles. An eccentric BBS name and an ability to cleverly label
    message areas ("Tell Me About Your Mother"; "My CPU Kicks Butt") seem to
    be part of the gestalt.

    [Then a list of member boards and pertinent info for each]

    - MicroTimes, October 26, 1992

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    "It's criminal - Computer network tells punks how to commit
    murder!"

    A San Francisico computer network is ruffling feathers by freely passing
    out advice on how to commit violence and mayhem.

    Nearly 50,000 people have used their keyboard to tap into the network's
    fiendish files - which have titles that include "22 Ways to Kill", "How
    to Rob a Bank", "How to Break into Houses", and "Simple Ways to Make a
    Car go BOOM!"

    A reporter who probed the network, called NIRVANAnet, labeled it a
    "clearinghouse for crime."

    But the people who run the network defend it, saying all the information
    they provide is currently available in books.

    - The National Enquirer, November 2, 1993

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    Things to Know
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20001005152324/http://www.totse.com/know.htm>
    Things to Do
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20001005152324/http://www.totse.com/do.htm>
    Erotica
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20001005152324/http://www.totse.com/erotica.htm>
    BBS
    <http://web.archive.org/web/20001005152324/http://www.totse.com/bin/bbs/Ultimate.cgi>



    MODEM OPERANDI: Tips on Crime Go On-line

    by: Michael Liedtke staff writer for the Contra Costa Times

    Wednesday, July 28, 1993

    [Comments by Taipan Enigma in brackets] [Top of the Front Page! - TE]

    Tips on how to commit fraud, murder and other mayhem are just a phone
    call away in the Bay Area, courtesy of rabble-rousing electronic
    bulletin boards that turn the personal computer into a clearinghouse for
    crime.

    Using the First Amendment as a legal shield, a group of electronic
    bulletin boards in the Bay Area has created an information network
    providing criminal insights to anyone with a phone, personal computer
    and modem. [You'd think a REPORTER would have a bit more respect for the
    First Ammendment. - TE]

    Essentially, these computer forums, known as bulletin board services,
    are electronic libraries. While some computer bulletin boards are
    limited to paying subscribers, the rebel network distributing criminal
    expertise is open to everyone, free of charge. [I guess the reporter
    thinks it would be OK if we charged money for this sort of information.
    - TE]

    Most of the bulletin board files can be fetched over phone lines and
    brought into the caller's home. In turn, callers to the bulletin boards
    are encouraged to send in files, so the systems can accumulate advice
    from experts and novices.

    More than 45,000 computer users [that's 45,000 CALLS, not USERS. Oh
    well, no one expects accuracy or intelligence from reporters these days
    anyways. - TE]have called an underground Bay Area bulletin board, known
    as "Lies Unlimited," that offers a roguish gallery of information. File
    titles include:

    * "How to Make Your Own Valid American Express Card"
    * "How to Rob a Bank"
    * "How to Break Into Houses"
    * "Stealing Toyotas and What to Do With Them"
    * "Simple Way to Make a Car Go BOOM!"
    * "Twenty-two Ways to Kill"

    The bulletin boards also have other categories offering more-mainstream
    advice and entertainment, but they appear to be primarily interested in
    promoting disorder. [Inflamatory exaggeration, completely untrue. The
    only thing that NIRVANAnet(tm) "promotes" is the free exchange of
    information and ideas from ALL points of view. - TE]

    In a self-description appearing on a bulletin board review, Lies
    Unlimited said it tries to focus "on political realities. The point
    being that this reality is created by consensus, and the only way to
    change the reality is to change the consensus."

    Lies Unlimited plans to shut down today and reopen next month after the
    system operator, listed as Mick Freen, moves from South San Francisco to
    Salt Lake City. Mischievous information similar to Lies Unlimited's
    archives rremains available on several other Bay Area bulletin boards,
    including a Walnut Creek-based system known as "And the Temple of the
    Screaming Electron." [sic]

    Based on computer files retrieved by the Times, other contributors in
    this unorthodox network include "My Dog Bit Jesus" in Berkeley,
    "realitycheck," in Albany, "Burn This Flag" in San Jose and "The New
    Dork Sublime" in San Francisco. [He forgot to mention "The Shrine" in
    Mountain View. - TE]

    Among them, the bulletin boards offer hundreds of files providing
    instructions on credit card fraud, money laundering, mail fraud,
    counterfeiting, drug smuggling, cable-tv theft, bomb-making and murder.

    The Times left electronic messages on several of those bulletin boards
    seeking interviews with the system operators. None of the operators
    responded by late Tuesday. [Michael Liedtke, the reporter of this story,
    left E-Mail for myself on &TOTSE and Poindexter Fortran on realitycheck
    on Monday evening. His deadline was Tuesday afternoon. The result: One
    more last-minute, hastily-written, poorly-researched, past-deadline
    story. - TE]

    Virtually anyone who understands how to use a computer and modem can tap
    into the rogue bulletin boards, if they have the phone numbers. The
    boards allow callers to create their own logons and passwords, opening
    the door for kids to get into the system. Based on their content, the
    bulletin boards appear to be particularly popular among teen-agers.
    [Also not true. If the reporter had done even the most basic research,
    such as actually reading the messages in the message base, he would have
    quickly realized that we have people from virtually ALL age groups
    frequenting NIRVANAnet(tm). - TE]

    "This shows why people need to be much more aware of what kids are doing
    with their computers," said Hans Von Braun, a computer security expert
    who works for San Francisco-based Comsec.

    One bulletin board, Burn This Flag, requires callers to fill out an
    application before gaining access to an adults-only section that
    contains files describing "bizarre sexual behavior." But in a written
    message, Burn This Flag's system operator, known as "Zardoz,"
    acknowledges there is no foolproof way to ensure all users of the adult
    section are at least 18.

    The Times isn't publishing the phone numbers of the rebel bulletin
    boards as a children's safeguard. [Besides, people might actually call
    the systems in question and find out that the reporter only told part of
    the truth, and as everyone knows, the most effective way to lie is to
    only tell part of the truth. - TE]

    The bulletin boards remain open by straddling a fine line between the
    legal definitions of free speech and criminal behavior. [There is no
    "fine line". We are not engaged in criminal activities, period. We are
    engaged in speech, period. Speech is protected, period. When the day
    comes where people can be imprisoned merely for what they say or what
    they think, it's time to move to another country. - TE]

    Under First Amendment rights guaranteeing free speech, the law allows
    the bulletin boards to serve as criminal primers, as long a the advice
    is limited to generic instructions. Essentially, it's legal for
    individuals to discuss how to commit a crime as long as they don't
    solicit or encourage the commission of a crime.

    "We're aware of these types of bulletin boards," said Rick Smith, an FBI
    spokesman in San Francisco. "But to shut them down, you have to make a
    link between the discussion of a crime and the commission of a crime."

    Law enforcement officials and security experts said they snoop through
    rogue bulletin boards to stay abreast of advice available to prospective
    criminals. These periodic checks might spot possible weaknesses in
    security systems and help authorities take precautions.

    Pacific Bell can't refuse phone access to the underground bulletin
    boards, even though the forums often contain advice on how to commit
    phone fraud.

    "Unless we catch people actually doing the criminal act, there is no
    crime to prosecute," said Pacific Bell spokesman Craig Watts. "You can't
    prosecute someone for bad thoughts." [... but they're working on it. - TE]

    - Contra Costa Times, Wednesday, July 28, 1993

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    Don't Throw Out the Computer With the Crime

    by: Dick Adler

    Chicago Tribune (CT) - Friday, September 10, 1993

    MEMO: Dick Adler, a Los Angeles writer, editor, reviewer and electronic
    publisher, is working on a book called "TALKING WITH STRANGERS: On the
    Frontier of Computer Communications."

    TEXT: What is there about the words "computer" and "crime" in the same
    sentence that makes even the coolest of media heads bubble and boil
    over? Although more and more of us use computers in our daily lives, is
    it because we have so little idea of how or why they work that we give
    them magical, even demonic powers? Does the ghost of HAL-the rebellious
    computer in the film "2001"-still hover over us, making us worry about
    losing control?

    Suppose you're a reporter for a small daily newspaper. You use a
    computer to write and edit your stories, and you even have a modem that
    connects you by telephone to an on-line information service such as
    Prodigy or CompuServe. But you haven't really had any adventures out
    there in the electronic world known as Cyberspace: You have never called
    a local bulletin board or tried to understand the mysteries of the giant
    egghead system known as the Internet.

    Suppose it's a slow news day, and you get a call from a computer
    security specialist with a hot tip. Did you know that by dialing a local
    number, computer users of any age in this very area can get information
    on all sorts of criminal activities, from bomb-making to credit card
    fraud? Is this a great story, or what?

    That's what happened recently to reporter Michael Liedtke of the Contra
    Costa Times. Checking out a tip about a loose confederation of bulletin
    boards called NIRVANAnet(tm) in the San Francisco Bay area, Liedtke must
    have heard those Pulitzer judges humming in the background as he typed
    his savage yet bouncy indictment.

    "Tips on how to commit fraud, murder and other mayhem are just a phone
    call away in the Bay Area, courtesy of rabble-rousing electronic
    bulletin boards that turn the personal computer into a clearinghouse for
    crime," he began. "More than 45,000 computer users have called an
    underground Bay Area bulletin board, known as 'Lies Unlimited,' (one of
    the NIRVANAnet(tm) members) that offers a roguish gallery of
    information. File titles include: 'How to Make Your Own Valid American
    Express Card,' 'How to Rob a Bank,' 'How to Break Into Houses,'
    'Stealing Toyotas and What to Do With Them,' 'Simple Way to Make a Car
    Go BOOM!' and 'Twenty-two Ways to Kill.' "

    Strong stuff. The trouble-as the people who run the bulletin boards in
    question plus many hundreds of their supporters soon pointed out-was
    that every single one of the files listed by Liedtke was already freely
    available in books (such as "The Anarchist's Cook Book") at local
    libraries and bookstores. Had the tipster mentioned that, the reporter
    would probably have stifled a yawn and written about something else. But
    those devil words " computer" and "crime" in conjunction pushed him over
    the edge.

    Recently in the Chicago area, a man who operated a computer bulletin
    board in Des Plaines was indicted for allowing a 12-year-old Chicago boy
    access to pornographic material in a supposedly "adults-only" section of
    the board. The story as depicted in the media conjured up a vivid
    picture of pre-teen computer nerds blithely downloading material that
    would make the owner of an adult book-and-video store either blanch or
    turn green with envy.

    Without getting anywhere near that briarpatch of 1st Amendment rights
    vs. the flat-out illegality of supplying pornography to minors, at least
    two points might be made here. First, it is not as easy as the media
    make it sound for computer users of any age to get access to adult
    material, because operators of bulletin board systems know they can go
    to jail and/or lose all their expensive equipment if convicted of
    supplying pornography to minors. So they've set up the same kind of
    checks-signed statements of age, driver's license photographs, credit
    card payment, passwords-that magazine publishers and video rental stores
    use. These checks aren't foolproof, of course, but any computer-smart
    12-year-old who can crack a bulletin board's moderately elaborate
    security can also probably figure out some other way to see dirty
    pictures and movies.

    Second, the pornography available on computer bulletin boards is exactly
    the same stuff to be found at print and video outlets. Just because it
    comes through a computer doesn't give it any special powers of "virtual
    reality" or high quality. In fact, even the best animated graphics on
    personal computers, clean or dirty, look rough and amateurish when
    compared to magazines or tapes.

    The other side of the coin is child pornography, and in this area
    computer bulletin boards have also been getting some bad ink of late.
    Operation Long Arm, a series of raids by federal agents in 15 states
    last March, turned up material from Denmark which had been distributed
    to American customers via a bulletin board. Not even the hardest-dying
    libertarian would attempt to defend the rights of pedophiles. But
    despite the law's best efforts, they continue to make and distribute
    pornography featuring children. And using carefully planned print media
    stories to create a climate of guilt and fear about computer bulletin
    boards isn't going to stop them.

    It's not hard to poke fun at some bulletin boards and their users: the
    names of the other boards in NIRVANAnet(tm) -"My Dog Bit Jesus," "
    realitycheck," "Burn This Flag" and "The New Dork Sublime" (the last run
    by a man calling himself Demented Pimiento) look like a bad day on
    Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley in 1967. And some boards don't seem very
    inviting at first glance, for other reasons: "Flatulence Plus" in San
    Diego might be one to avoid.

    In fact, computer bulletin boards are like bars. Growing up in a
    non-drinking household, I used to think as a child that all bars were
    dens of iniquity and sinks of crime. It took only a few visits to
    convince me there was as much crime in bars as in supermarkets and
    coffee shops. Anyone who still thinks that computer bulletin boards
    promote or even condone crime should pay a visit to my local-the West
    Los Angeles BBS, where operator Gary Inman (a fire department captain of
    paramedics in his other life) makes sure that no laws are broken or even
    bent.

    Computer crime does exist: As you read this, somebody is working on the
    Universal ATM Card, which will open every single bank account in the
    world. But the inventor isn't going to crow about it on some so-called
    "underground" bulletin board, which in fact lists its telephone number
    in every single free magazine and newspaper in town.

    Chicago Tribune (CT) - Friday, September 10, 1993

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  7. #47
    People posted without borders, without skin color, without boundaries, without stigma, without clothes...
  8. #48
    Pete Green African Astronaut
    The Copyrights are fake. because I sent in the background to inquiry for copyright and it came back as not found. Its risky if I actually did draw it or created it and do an inquiry instead of a file. he never copyright any of his shit. nor trademark

    he just was trying to scare people. because it would be a good way to prove Jeff Hunter is his real name.
  9. #49
    Ghast Houston
    Originally posted by Pete Green The Copyrights are fake. because I sent in the background to inquiry for copyright and it came back as not found. Its risky if I actually did draw it or created it and do an inquiry instead of a file. he never copyright any of his shit. nor trademark

    he just was trying to scare people. because it would be a good way to prove Jeff Hunter is his real name.

    theyr are real , jusst expired
  10. #50
    Originally posted by Pete Green The Copyrights are fake. because I sent in the background to inquiry for copyright and it came back as not found. Its risky if I actually did draw it or created it and do an inquiry instead of a file. he never copyright any of his shit. nor trademark

    he just was trying to scare people. because it would be a good way to prove Jeff Hunter is his real name.

    The owner of Totse's name wasn't really Jeff Hunter. That handle was a nod to Christopher Pike in the original Star Trek series.
  11. #51
    Bradley Black Hole
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ The owner of Totse's name wasn't really Jeff Hunter. That handle was a nod to Christopher Pike in the original Star Trek series.

    The plot thickens.

    Wozny is such a dumbfuck
  12. #52
    Wariat Marine/Preteen Biologist
    star trek… series
    The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
  13. #53
    Bradley Black Hole
    wozny thinks our community did 9/11
  14. #54
    Ghast Houston
    Originally posted by Bradley wozny thinks our community did 9/11

    we did
  15. #55
    Originally posted by Wariat star trek… series

    Yeah, Christopher Pike makes a return during the series. It's a continuation of the plot from the pilot episode.
  16. #56
    Ghast Houston
    ITS OUR TOTSE!
    Originally posted by Rotten Rodney boobs

    mans got a point



    The oldje man it totse. the kidiots are the dudes beating him to death and the DHers and bradly and wozny are helping
    Originally posted by Rotten Rodney
  17. #57
    Speedy Parker Black Hole [my absentmindedly lachrymatory gazania]
  18. #58
    Pete Green African Astronaut
    Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ The owner of Totse's name wasn't really Jeff Hunter. That handle was a nod to Christopher Pike in the original Star Trek series.

    It wasn't. Good story, Canadian Guy.
    And I can tell you why it is in fact Jeff Hunter. Because my Sister's late Husband's friend Bill knew him. they were friends. Please stop living the lie inside your own head.

    As I mentioned before that Actor wasn't Jeff Hunter. His name was Jeffery Hunter. and so the common theme was "Its like the name of the Captain Pike guy. But then you have to ask yourself, Retard. Why Alice Hunter? Dr Alice Hunter? and him speaking about his Mother Jill who was vice mayor of Saratoga then Mayor before she had a Heart Attack

    your story doesn't float. you dont' live in the Bay Area. JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. You're a Fucking weird dude. and on top of it I saw your conversation with Poindexter.
  19. #59
    Pete Green African Astronaut
    You know why else you're full of Shit, Retard.

    Jeff Hunter PO Box

    You can't open a PO Box without a License and a bill showing your current address Mother Fucker

    The Mail wasn't addressed to Totse. it was addressed to Jeff Hunter. Again You're the weirdest fucking cunt
    I ever fucking met. Knife yourself, Faggot
  20. #60
    aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    there were guides on totse on how to set up a PO box under a fake name lol
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