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BREAKING NEWS ! - MAJOR UKRAINIAN COUNTER OFFENSIVE STARTED !!!
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2023-06-07 at 5:33 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:35 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra you don't consider an assault group made up of 10 divisions pushing a single direction and continuing to fight until they've lost 3000-4000 men to be a major offensive?
Russian propaganda and speculation doesn't qualify no.
"Reports of heavy fighting in Ukraine fueled speculation of whether it could be part of an anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive, but there's no confirmation from Kyiv. Russia said it thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive and killed hundreds of troops in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, although Ukraine dismissed the claims." -
2023-06-07 at 5:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Russian propaganda and speculation doesn't qualify no.
"Reports of heavy fighting in Ukraine fueled speculation of whether it could be part of an anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive, but there's no confirmation from Kyiv. Russia said it thwarted a major Ukrainian offensive and killed hundreds of troops in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, although Ukraine dismissed the claims."
there's plenty of media of AFU armor being destroyed in the last few days if you care to look. as far as 'Russian propaganda' goes, the Russian MoD has been far more honest about the state of the war than the Ukrainian authorities or western media -
2023-06-07 at 5:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra there's plenty of media of AFU armor being destroyed in the last few days if you care to look. as far as 'Russian propaganda' goes, the Russian MoD has been far more honest about the state of the war than the Ukrainian authorities or western media
Again, Russian propaganda and speculation that you appear to be buying into.
A few heavy battles doesn't equate to a "major offensive". I guess it boils down to what you determine a major offensive to be...if the goal is to free up the Russian occupied land then it would be 10s of thousands involved in the push...not 2 or 3k here and there. -
2023-06-07 at 5:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson
Again, Russian propaganda and speculation that you appear to be buying into.
A few heavy battles doesn't equate to a "major offensive". I guess it boils down to what you determine a major offensive to be…if the goal is to free up the Russian occupied land then it would be 10s of thousands involved in the push…not 2 or 3k here and there.
one division is around 9,000 men, 10 were involved in the action
***modern militaries typically have around a 1:8 ratio for combat to support personnel, so if we assume 90,000 men were active maybe 10,000 were in direct combat -
2023-06-07 at 5:50 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:51 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:52 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:53 PM UTCUnless you're running 60,000 casualties a day you're not really trying by British terms.
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2023-06-07 at 5:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson ok…again 10k isn't 10s of thousands…You're not going to free up all Russian occupied land (which is the goal) with 10k.
realistically, they're not going to do it at all, but that's not the point - if you don't have enough support units you can't use modern weapons like tanks, drones and artillery, and at that point it doesn't really matter what you do against an enemy that can. the point is that if the numbers are correct, that's an enormous loss of manpower as a ratio of what was deployed, and the total number is indeed a very large deployment.
do you think their manpower is unlimited? why do you think they're snatching 16 and 60 year olds off the street? -
2023-06-07 at 5:55 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:55 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 5:55 PM UTC9000 little green men, who wants to put money on this come on boys , pony up somke roubles
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2023-06-07 at 5:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra the point is that if the numbers are correct, that's an enormous loss of manpower as a ratio of what was deployed.
There's the key.
IF
I don't believe either side tells the Truth but less so Russia..I mean their leader is telling his people obvious lies about it being to rid the land of Nazis
When/IF the "major offensive" starts it's going to be pretty damn obvious to any observer...or it's not a "major offensive". -
2023-06-07 at 6:02 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson There's the key.
IF
I don't believe either side tells the Truth but less so Russia..I mean their leader is telling his people obvious lies about it being to rid the land of Nazis
When/IF the "major offensive" starts it's going to be pretty damn obvious to any observer…or it's not a "major offensive".
ok, tell us what are the sign we'll see if its a 'major offensive'.
dont tell me pubic hairs. -
2023-06-07 at 6:04 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 6:04 PM UTCVinny, go away, the adults are talking.
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2023-06-07 at 6:05 PM UTC
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2023-06-07 at 6:06 PM UTC
