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Total Synthesis ll: Manufacing Molly/Exctasy How to? Has anyone attempted this?

  1. #21
    Originally posted by Doyle Sauce Basically if you want to find a cool company on Alibaba you find one willing to sell you a sample and have it "labelled as"

    It could be a Chinese honey pot , no way to know really but I seriously doubt they care about anyone making less than 1lb

    Is there a way to test it?

    Have you heard of the finkelstein reaction? to change Helional to mda
  2. #22
    This site says they have the way.
    https://www.scribd.com/document/526088965/Helional-to-MDA#
  3. #23
    Okay we have the full document , this seems to be the only instructions on here.

    https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=156271

    Someone psosted it her as a mircosoft word document.
  4. #24
    Wed, Mar. 10th, 2010, 02:27

    amEasy, High Yield MDAEasy, High Yield MDAExerpt from something I heard somewhere.......The Finkelstein reaction is the word for the day! Bromosafrole in acetone treated with KI to form the iodide (iodine is a much better leaving group). Iodosafrole forms the amine with NH3 alone at normal pressure. Start to finish MDA in the +90%! Or, as per twodogs:

    Quote:The following reactions make use of a commercially available product that goes under various trade names eg Helional, Floramelon.

    The aldoxime of this aldehyde undergoes the Beckman rearrangement with Nickel Acetate to give the amide that is then easily transformed to the amine by the Hoffman reaction.

    The Hoffman reaction can be achieved with 4.2% NaOCl sold in supermarkets as bleach.I don't have any references as this was done a while ago.

    The aldoxime and Hoffman reactions are pretty standard.

    The Beckman rearrangement of this particular product using Nickel Acetate is my own work.It doesn't get any easier that this.

    The aldoxime.

    100 grms of the aldehyde is placed in 200 mls of ETOH with 50-60 grms of Hydroxylamine Hydrochloride * in 100 mls of H2O. 40 grms of Sodium Carbonate in 100 mlsof H2O is slowly added with stirring.
    Once addition is complete the mixture is stirred overnight then enhancemented to give about 100 grms of the aldoxime. If the aldoxime doesn't solidify add more hydroxylamine and base.

    The amide.

    100 grms of the aldoxime is mixed with 300 mls of xylene and 2 grms of Nickel Acetate ** is added and refluxed for 5 hours. About 100 mls of xylene is distilledoff and the mixture is left to cool. About 70 grms of the amide separates and is enhancemented and dried,. Can be recrystallized with xylene.

    The amine.

    To a solution of 10 grms NaOH in 200 mls H2O in a 500 mls flask is added 20 grmsof the amide and 250 grms of 4.2 % NaOCl . The mixture is then heated to 80C with stirring. At about 50 to 60C the mixture can become white as the carbonate forms. At 70-80C an oil separates. (This is crude MDA). The solution was cooled and extracted with xylene. The solution was enhancemented and the filtrate washed with xylene and the xylene portions added together. About 100 mls of conc HCL was added to the xylene shaken and separated. The aqueous solution was extracted with xylene and the xylene separated. The amine was then liberated from the aqueous portion with NaOH and worked up in the usual way to give MDA

    • *Hydroxylamine: HCL200 mls nitromethane, 300 mls Acetic acid and 300 mls HCL are heated to just below reflux and held there for 2 hours then refluxed for 12 hours. The solution isreduced to half gone the cooled in fridge overnight and enhancemented.

    • **Nickel Acetate: 20 grms of nickel oxide (black) is dissolved in Acetic acid and heated with stirring until the mixture turns pale green. The excess Acetic is drained off , the rest is dried and powdered.Making Hydroxylamine HCl http://psychonaut.com/post-35899.html?f=43
  5. #25
    Right got it now.

    When they say they are talking about.

    Helional is a chemical compound used as a perfume in soap and laundry detergent. Chemically it is an ALEHYDE with a hydrocinnamaldehyde motif; a structural element which is present in a number of oth…
  6. #26
    Doyle Sauce Tuskegee Airman
    Are they the same thing? I might be confusing the names with something else.

    Those cinnamaldehydes are real potential I was looking at those before I even learned about mdma chemistry in regards to p2p meth

    And I still hear about similar classed named chemicals of the cimmamyl nature being used to make some wild synthetic fentanyl like opiates.
  7. #27
    Originally posted by Doyle Sauce Are they the same thing? I might be confusing the names with something else.

    Those cinnamaldehydes are real potential I was looking at those before I even learned about mdma chemistry in regards to p2p meth

    And I still hear about similar classed named chemicals of the cimmamyl nature being used to make some wild synthetic fentanyl like opiates.

    Is what the same thing ?
  8. #28
    Alright, after googling the chemistry vocabulary i now understand everything except this part:
    "At 70-80C an oil separates. (This is crude MDA). The solution was cooled and extracted with xylene. The solution was enhancemented and the filtrate washed with xylene and the xylene portions added together. About 100 mls of conc HCL was added to the xylene shaken and separated. The aqueous solution was extracted with xylene and the xylene separated. The amine was then liberated from the aqueous portion with NaOH and worked up in the usual way to give MDA"
  9. #29
    What do they mean they extracted it with xylene? What did they extract? What kind of enhancement was used? etc.
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