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am i a genius?
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2017-05-18 at 1:31 AM UTC
post ur opinions on me being a genius here -
2017-05-18 at 1:36 AM UTC
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2017-05-18 at 1:39 AM UTCnah ur just a gayThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-18 at 1:39 AM UTC
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2017-05-18 at 1:46 AM UTCYour a lil autistic homo on bundy
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2017-05-18 at 2:01 AM UTC
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2017-05-18 at 6:11 AM UTC
Originally posted by Actor
Einstein actually never fucking said that, thank god.
Everyone is not a genius, and children are not all born with that potential. Hate to break it to the loser leftists/liberals who like to promote this everyone is a winner/special bullshit.
As Freud said in one of his private letters, a man who was at the forefront of insight into humanity, despite his flaws/mistakes (shoulders of giants and whatnot):
“In the depths of my heart I can’t help being convinced that my dear fellow-men, with a few exceptions, are worthless.” -
2017-05-18 at 6:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice Einstein actually never fucking said that, thank god.
Everyone is not a genius, and children are not all born with that potential. Hate to break it to the loser leftists/liberals who like to promote this everyone is a winner/special bullshit.
As Freud said in one of his private letters, a man who was at the forefront of insight into humanity, despite his flaws/mistakes (shoulders of giants and whatnot):
“In the depths of my heart I can’t help being convinced that my dear fellow-men, with a few exceptions, are worthless.”
I wouldn't agree everyone is a genius (how silly), but I would agree with the notion that IQ tests can be like judging fish for its ability to claim a tree. Scoring low on an IQ test isn't particularly damning evidence against your capabilities, and scoring high isn't great evidence for your actual value to the world either.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-05-18 at 7 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice Einstein actually never fucking said that, thank god.
Everyone is not a genius, and children are not all born with that potential. Hate to break it to the loser leftists/liberals who like to promote this everyone is a winner/special bullshit.
As Freud said in one of his private letters, a man who was at the forefront of insight into humanity, despite his flaws/mistakes (shoulders of giants and whatnot):
“In the depths of my heart I can’t help being convinced that my dear fellow-men, with a few exceptions, are worthless.”
the point is more that testable intelligence doesn't necessarily result in practical results; I read 'everyone is a genius' sarcasticallyThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-05-18 at 7:02 AM UTClol i didnt think he did. My second choice was a pic of einsteing with the words "The thing about smart motherfuckers is, they sound crazy to dumb motherfuckers"
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2017-05-18 at 7:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by Phoenix I wouldn't agree everyone is a genius (how silly), but I would agree with the notion that IQ tests can be like judging fish for its ability to claim a tree. Scoring low on an IQ test isn't particularly damning evidence against your capabilities, and scoring high isn't great evidence for your actual value to the world either.
No, it really is. Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.
Think about the mentally retarded and how they consistently score on IQ tests. People with down syndrome literally never score past a certain point.
A simple definition for intelligence can be "The ability to deal with complexity", and the sad truth is that in our modern, dynamic, highly complex societies if you don't have a certain level of ability the best you're probably going to be good for is grunt work, something entirely replaceable. You will never make a significant, unique, lasting contribution to society. -
2017-05-18 at 7:16 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice No, it really is. Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.
Think about the mentally retarded and how they consistently score on IQ tests. People with down syndrome literally never score past a certain point.
A simple definition for intelligence can be "The ability to deal with complexity", and the sad truth is that in our modern, dynamic, highly complex societies if you don't have a certain level of ability the best you're probably going to be good for is grunt work, something entirely replaceable. You will never make a significant, unique, lasting contribution to society.
Lol it's funny when I go play poker I can see this at any given point. Like, the table I sat at tonight, there are 8 people. There are 2 VERY obviously retarded people (that I think some local place lets them come and play?) and there are 2 other 'normal' people that are also retarded- they shuffle all stupid and slow and deal the cards like a fucking clown people have to literally grab the cards and hand them to the people across the table because the current dealer is too dumb to know how to flick a card a few feet away from him/her.
Just saying man, it's such an obvious glance into the nature of the world. All I do when I go play poker is mostly win, make everyone at my table laugh, make fun of half of them, and buy people drinks. I'm such a nice guy you guise don't even know it. I really would love to live with all of you.
So many shitlord retards at bars. Like BAD. I'm often embarrassed to be in a bar at the same time as some of these folk but at the same time there are others that are like me and of course many intellectuals DPO chose to drink because they realize the horrible state of reality. IT's a sick world m8s. -
2017-05-18 at 7:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice No, it really is. Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.
Think about the mentally retarded and how they consistently score on IQ tests. People with down syndrome literally never score past a certain point.
A simple definition for intelligence can be "The ability to deal with complexity", and the sad truth is that in our modern, dynamic, highly complex societies if you don't have a certain level of ability the best you're probably going to be good for is grunt work, something entirely replaceable. You will never make a significant, unique, lasting contribution to society.
IQ is still an academic measure of intelligence. They're based on your ability to solve questions using faculties that evolved to solve natural applied problems on the unnecessary solution of unnatural academic abstractions. I'm not going to say abstract thinking isn't a valuable skill or anything, I'm just saying there's more to intelligence than abstract thinking. And IQ tests rely heavily on the test taker having the ability to turn their natural pattern recognition powers and the like into abstract pattern recognition powers.
Y-you know? There's definitely some overlap between IQ scores and success in life, and it's compelling, but compelling correlations don't change the fact that it relies on testing things the brain generally doesn't need to deal with (yes it has to deal with patterns, spatial orientation/relations, etc on a regular basis, but almost never in the ways those things are tested for on IQ tests). -
2017-05-18 at 7:29 AM UTCThe data's pretty damn clear, people who score low almost never do particularly well in life.
There's actually good evidence of psychometric (the study and quantification of human mental ability) thresholds. Ah, here it is: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychometric-thresholds-for-physics-and.html
SAT scores strongly correlate with IQ, btw, and it's particularly important in the hard sciences. So, basically, if you're below a certain level there's literally no chance in hell, no matter how hard you try, whatever you do, that you're ever going to achieve certain things.
It is incredibly damning evidence of your capabilities, and it's also a very strong predictor of what you may be able to contribute to the world.
There's an asymmetry. There are definitely people with high IQs, who, for whatever reason, never really go anywhere in life, but the inverse generally isn't true.
I mean, I guess they could go into entertainment, like sports or something, but I wouldn't say that really contributes to the advancement of mankind. It just helps people pass the time. That doesn't come close to being as valuable as developing a vaccine that literally saves millions of lives.
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2017-05-18 at 7:33 AM UTCWhat's the fucking STREET SMARTS IQ test? Is there a standardized official one of those? I want everyone here to take a street smart IQ test. Involving hood life, drug terms, probation, incarceration, killing your boy for an oz of coke, etc. Just cuz you know what 89x3 is doesn't mean you know how to avoid giving 3 weeks of breakfast trays to Martin cuz your dumbass didn't know how to bid correctly in a game of pinochle, FAGGOT.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-18 at 7:34 AM UTCMalice: CNN is americas most trusted source for news.
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2017-05-18 at 7:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by Phoenix it relies on testing things the brain generally doesn't need to deal with (yes it has to deal with patterns, spatial orientation/relations, etc on a regular basis, but almost never in the ways those things are tested for on IQ tests).
No, that's absolutely false. You don't have a proper understanding of psychometrics, of the general factor of intelligence ("g"), which is what IQ tests attempt to quantify.
Of course Raven's Progressive Matrices seems like it has no applicability to real life, and it doesn't, in a direct manner. IRL you never encounter those exact problems. You're completely misunderstanding what IQ tests aim to accomplish if you think this invalidates them.
It's one of the best, most impartial, culturally unbiased, forms we've found of measuring fluid intelligence, the ability to deal with complexity.
Think about this simple definition of what intelligence is, how crucial it is to so much of the world, and how it relates to IQ tests. At the advanced levels it's clear, it is testing you to your limits of how much you can deal with complexity. -
2017-05-18 at 7:38 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2017-05-18 at 7:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice That doesn't come close to being as valuable as developing a vaccine that literally saves millions of lives.
that's one in a billion people, and many who are theoretically intelligent enough to do so will never have the opportunity to become a doctor, engineer or whatever profession they could do their best work in anyway. in all likelihood, even being super-intelligent your greatest contribution to society will be in the form of taxes paid, and the government will just spurt that on exploitive defense contracts and tax-free 'diplomatic trips' anyway -
2017-05-18 at 7:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by Malice The data's pretty damn clear, people who score low almost never do particularly well in life.
There's actually good evidence of psychometric (the study and quantification of human mental ability) thresholds. Ah, here it is: http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychometric-thresholds-for-physics-and.html
SAT scores strongly correlate with IQ, btw, and it's particularly important in the hard sciences. So, basically, if you're below a certain level there's literally no chance in hell, no matter how hard you try, whatever you do, that you're ever going to achieve certain things.
It is incredibly damning evidence of your capabilities, and it's also a very strong predictor of what you may be able to contribute to the world.
There's an asymmetry. There are definitely people with high IQs, who, for whatever reason, never really go anywhere in life, but the inverse generally isn't true.
I mean, I guess they could go into entertainment, like sports or something, but I wouldn't say that really contributes to the advancement of mankind. It just helps people pass the time. That doesn't come close to being as valuable as developing a vaccine that literally saves millions of lives.
Post last edited by Malice at 2017-05-18T07:31:53.375819+00:00
Essentially: hypothetically, you could be excellent at everything IQ tests test for in an applied setting except for the ability to think abstractly in the academic context required by an IQ test - you can be astoundingly adaptable but unable to adapt to IQ tests, and you can be astoundingly inept at adapting to natural problems but very capable of adapting to IQ tests.
I feel like you cling to IQ tests because you have literally nothing to impress people with other than that, and accepting that compelling correlations are not the same ironclad evidence will rob you of literally the only thing about you that you feel isn't flawed.
