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reject life, embrace death
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2023-02-22 at 5:08 AM UTCThe author of this post has returned to nothingness
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2023-02-22 at 5:15 AM UTCtaking action that guarantees your death is probably the only choice you can make that's truly your own
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2023-02-22 at 6:02 AM UTCWhen I die fuck it I wanna go to hell, cause I'm a piece of shit it ain't hard to fucking tell
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2023-02-22 at 6:12 AM UTCin order to die, your must first be alive.
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2023-02-22 at 6:15 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra taking action that guarantees your death is probably the only choice you can make that's truly your own
What about suicide makes you think it is "more genuinely" your own, versus anything else you do?
I don't believe there is a genuine self behind the mask.
You're not your body. If you lost your leg, we could replace it theoretically and you would still be you. In fact, theoretically we could replace every bone in your body, every tissue, and you would still be you.
You're not your brain. Theoretically, if we could replicate your brain exactly the replicated brain wouldn't be a second you; you would still be you, and the new brain would be a new person who may think extremely similarly to you, but they would still be new person who can and will become different than you.
You're not even your brain state. Someone who has experienced a traumatic injury to their brain may develop a different personality, but they are still the same person. Your grandparents can lose their memories as they age but they remain your grandparents. In theory we could reprogram Jack's mind, erase old memories and give him new ones, completely change his personality - and he would still be Jack. He would just act and think differently and no longer identify with how he acted and thought before the procedure.
So what is left? Underneath everything that can be replaced and changed, behind every "choice" and everything that is molded by the world and developes and changes as we age, fundamentally what remains?
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2023-02-22 at 6:16 AM UTCreading dilutes thy soul.
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2023-02-22 at 6:31 AM UTC100%
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2023-02-22 at 6:51 AM UTCsomething something nstinct and memetics something else autonomy of the will
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2023-02-22 at 7:06 AM UTCyou first opie
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2023-02-22 at 7:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe What about suicide makes you think it is "more genuinely" your own, versus anything else you do?
I don't believe there is a genuine self behind the mask.
You're not your body. If you lost your leg, we could replace it theoretically and you would still be you. In fact, theoretically we could replace every bone in your body, every tissue, and you would still be you.
You're not your brain. Theoretically, if we could replicate your brain exactly the replicated brain wouldn't be a second you; you would still be you, and the new brain would be a new person who may think extremely similarly to you, but they would still be new person who can and will become different than you.
You're not even your brain state. Someone who has experienced a traumatic injury to their brain may develop a different personality, but they are still the same person. Your grandparents can lose their memories as they age but they remain your grandparents. In theory we could reprogram Jack's mind, erase old memories and give him new ones, completely change his personality - and he would still be Jack. He would just act and think differently and no longer identify with how he acted and thought before the procedure.
So what is left? Underneath everything that can be replaced and changed, behind every "choice" and everything that is molded by the world and developes and changes as we age, fundamentally what remains?
the problem with most of these are that we don't really know for sure; we don't know what 'consciousness' really is or where it resides so saying that 'you're not your brain's state' is just speculation.
what would make sense to find a 'true' will or consciousness would be to strip away everything involuntary to see what's left - what I meant in the first post was that every action you undertake is coloured by your instincts, your involuntary functions and unconscious thought patterns. it's generally accepted that the strongest involuntary instinct in most animals is self-preservation, so being able to discard that would ostensibly grant you the most freedom.I don't believe there is a genuine self behind the mask.
maybe, but I try not to pull that thread too hard simply because I don't want to believe everyone is just a meat machine. it'd open the door to justifying anything and everything and I don't want to lower myself to that - it'd effectively turn me into a meat machine, an especially bad one, and I believe we have the potential to be more than that.
in reality though, I think the most likely explanation for consciousness is some sort of quantum effect in the brain that causes unpredictable behaviour, and our histories and personalities are a result of random modulation of our response to deterministic stimuli. think of a chatbot with a random number generator that slightly modifies its responses so that you won't get the exact same response even if you keep asking it the same questions.
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2023-02-22 at 8:10 AM UTClegalize rockets I want to die in space
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2023-02-22 at 12:23 PM UTCTo die would be an awfully big adventure.
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2023-02-22 at 12:53 PM UTC
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2023-02-22 at 12:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra what would make sense to find a 'true' will or consciousness would be to strip away everything involuntary to see what's left - what I meant in the first post was that every action you undertake is coloured by your instincts, your involuntary functions and unconscious thought patterns. it's generally accepted that the strongest involuntary instinct in most animals is self-preservation, so being able to discard that would ostensibly grant you the most freedom.
gooknamese version of freedom
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2023-02-22 at 6 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra maybe, but I try not to pull that thread too hard simply because I don't want to believe everyone is just a meat machine. it'd open the door to justifying anything and everything and I don't want to lower myself to that - it'd effectively turn me into a meat machine, an especially bad one, and I believe we have the potential to be more than that.
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2023-02-22 at 6:06 PM UTCI think if a lot of people that died to suicide saw the world today they would not feel the same way, doing anything to change predetermined outcomes CHAOS THEORY ACCELERATION . We are nothing but Emergent Information , your brain can be sent through the D bus with the right tek
If people lived forever and choose when to die instead of it being unavoidable I wonder what the average age would be to end life and how
