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2017-05-11 at 3:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † Trivial to you because you are a close minded idiot who only argues for the sake of argueing and to get negative reactions out of others to have a grand ol time in your egotistical delusion of actually having a discussion instead of being a limp shrimp dick.
Go fuck yourself. I'm far from angry,you are just soft as fuck.
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2017-05-11 at 3:09 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Well ok RisiR let's say you're right and most of the money I pay in taxes is wasted in ways I don't benefit from at all. How are we going to change this?
Well ok Obbe, we will do it like this. You arrange a meeting with everyone who agrees with you and then you all commit mass suicide.
I honestly think that things will work themselves out for us non-idiots once your kind is gone. Do it for the people, Obbe. -
2017-05-11 at 3:12 PM UTC
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2017-05-11 at 3:15 PM UTCYou won't do shit. You never do shit.
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2017-05-11 at 3:20 PM UTCI piss you off.
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2017-05-11 at 3:26 PM UTCOnly as long as I allow you to for the sake of feeling my blood boil. I love it.
I can turn it of at will. -
2017-05-11 at 3:28 PM UTC
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2017-05-11 at 3:29 PM UTC
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2017-05-11 at 3:32 PM UTCFunnily enough I think we would get along irl.
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2017-05-11 at 4:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Sophie, I really am genuinely interested in hearing your opinion. If you don't want to talk about it anymore I understand. I'm not trying to be a dick. But I'm not convinced.
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Isn't that exactly what I suggested earlier? Convince others, together change society. You got mad at me for suggesting that. Wtf bro. Anyways, convince me at least.
From the statist point of view this would mean getting into politics and becoming the leader of the state. Also i am trying to convince others, but i don't want to compromise my principles in order to gain political power. I can only try to tell people why the state is an amoral institution that derives it's perceived authority from a monopoly on violence. If i become the leader of the state how can i possibly advocate for it's abolishment with a straight face. If you have to do something through force or the threat of force it just means you don't have the arguments to defend your position in any other way.
All i can do is argue the true nature of the state and work around it as much as possible through counter-economics, like bitcoin and other technologies, and peer to peer trade. this is the idea behind agorism, which is a more practical form of anarcho-capitalism.
The reason i reacted in the way that i did is because i thought you were saying that i should get into politics to change society. I'd rather do it through reason and counter-economics and i try to apply those things to my life to the best of my abilities.
Originally posted by Open Your Mind I already told you I think it's only fair that I contribute to a system that I benefit immensely from.
It would be fair, but only if the relationship between you and the system was voluntary to begin with.
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Doesn't feel like I'm being stolen from.
And this what makes people not see how it is wrong. But just because it doesn't feel like you are being stolen from doesn't mean that when you come down to it, it still is actually is theft, fundamentally. No matter how much you think you may or may not benefit from it.
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Feels like I'm part of a big team.
Being a part of a team is a voluntary association. Your association with the state is not voluntary.
Originally posted by Open Your Mind Convince me why this is wrong. I'm listening.
You can feel however you want to feel about it. If you are ok with being stolen from, good for you. This does not mean however, that theft is good and proper by any rational standard.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2017-05-11 at 4:12 PM UTC...
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2017-05-11 at 4:15 PM UTCThanks for giving me something to think about Sophie.
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2017-05-11 at 4:15 PM UTC
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2017-05-11 at 4:41 PM UTCIf taxation is theft what would the term be for the requirement to get a license in order to drive, or run a daycare, or even be a cosmotologist?
Bullshit is the term I'd use. -
2017-05-11 at 5:06 PM UTC
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2017-05-11 at 5:08 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ If taxation is theft what would the term be for the requirement to get a license in order to drive, or run a daycare, or even be a cosmotologist?
Bullshit is the term I'd use.
I would agree with that term because competence should be the deciding factor in whether you get to drive or run a daycare or whatever, not a piece of paper issued by the government. -
2017-05-11 at 5:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ If taxation is theft what would the term be for the requirement to get a license in order to drive, or run a daycare, or even be a cosmotologist?
Bullshit is the term I'd use.
I don't see the correlation between the two other than government influence but the difference is that not getting a license for anything is not a crime. Not paying taxes is.
I feel like we shouldn't go full anarchy. Licenses and stuff make sense because they should ensure that the action that takes place is done correctly. -
2017-05-11 at 5:21 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie I would agree with that term because competence should be the deciding factor in whether you get to drive or run a daycare or whatever, not a piece of paper issued by the government.
That's already kinda how it works, y'know. You only get that piece of paper once you have proven your competence. Letting anyone do anything and then sorting out the mess does not seem like a good idea. -
2017-05-11 at 5:30 PM UTC
Originally posted by RisiR † That's already kinda how it works, y'know. You only get that piece of paper once you have proven your competence. Letting anyone do anything and then sorting out the mess does not seem like a good idea.
Sure but it's not like the government is the only one that can test someone on how competent they are. -
2017-05-11 at 5:39 PM UTC
