They admit defeat, now trying flip to the narrative on Jan 6th.

1. 2022-07-21 at 4:47 PM UTC

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   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

   Originally posted by aldra that doesn't even make sense as an analogy
   
   
   it'd be more like if you told your boss you'd spent $100 on a hammer, then he looked at your receipts and found the guy at the hardware store had actually talked you into buying a $500 pneumatic wall smasher

   
   
   My analogy is solid.
   
   
   The old "gov toilet seat" costing $500...doesn't mean the toilet seat actually cost $500...it just means "Hey we spent $500, $40 on a toilet seat and $460 on strippers...lets just say it was all on a toilet seat".
   
   ...$500 was still spent...how it was spent could be open to debate, however the coffers are $500 lighter regardless.
   
   ...anything else without SOLID evidence is pure speculation.
2. 2022-07-21 at 4:50 PM UTC

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   aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
   no
   
   
   reread the last two posts until you get it
3. 2022-07-21 at 4:51 PM UTC

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   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole
   Alra, lets go with your theory that the $6 trillion isn't accurate and it's really..lets say 11 trillion.
   
   Equally the tax revenue at $4 trillion could therefore also be inaccurate..and lets say in reality was $233 trillion
   
   See the speculation works both ways...doesn't actually serve much purpose in the discussion Vincent and I were having regarding my statement "a good majority comes from taxes" and his challenging of that (without any actual data to back up his challenge).
4. 2022-07-21 at 5 PM UTC

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   aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
   sure, but in the case of income tax it's much easier to verify - people don't typically get to renegotiate the income tax they pay, and if they did they'd be paying less, not more. Taxes are collected at gunpoint, from a position of power, so if they are reported inaccurately it won't be an underestimate.
   
   if you were concerned about the amount of income tax collected being underreported you could get a broad estimate just by comparing tax brackets to income statistics, and I'd be very surprised if you came up with a number that was significantly higher than what's reported (if anything it's probably much lower given special exemptions and evasion schemes)
5. 2022-07-21 at 5:16 PM UTC

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   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole

   Originally posted by aldra sure, but in the case of income tax it's much easier to verify

   
   How would you go about verifying the total amount of income tax collected in a year other than by official government figures? I'm not aware of any other authority that would be privy to that very confidential personal information...and on such a large scale.
   
   I think it's much easier in fact to gather info on gov spending that gov income as spending is much more of a "public" activity.
   
   Again we are in the realm of speculation..which again is quite pointless regarding the topic we were discussing.
6. 2022-07-21 at 5:26 PM UTC

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   Jiggaboo_Johnson Black Hole
   A good example of that is the brouhaha over Trump not releasing his tax returns...if it was so easy to verify ...that wouldn't have been an issue.
   
   The only people/agencies with access to such info is the taxpayer, their employer (and even then they only have access to what he paid in income tax through them..not other sources of income) and the IRS...that's it.