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How to get away with murder?
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2022-01-06 at 7:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kafka How would you do it?
I probably wouldn't, being a murderer that doesn't get caught is a full time job. I have some options though, and i would go about it differently in the USA than i would here. If you can manage not to get caught in the act and you have a good place to dispose of the body like a forest, with favorable soil. You'd probably want to hang out on the forest trail, act like you like nature. Then when you see a victim you like, you walk up from behind and place industrial sized tie-wrap around their neck. make sure you got a few loops daisy chained together for distance and an end that has a handle for your hand or something so you can pull hard. Then as the person is panicking you drag them off the trail deep into the forest, someplace you scouted beforehand.
They will be dead within 5 minutes but 5 minutes off the trail is too close. So make it as far as you can. If you're smart you will have a grave ready to go, a rather deep one too. Put corpse in hole, cut tie-wrap loose and bring it with you, that's evidence you gotta burn, fill hole. Make it look as if nothing has been disturbed.
Even if you can't manage the last part if you make sure the spot is far off the beaten track, you will have a better chance. When you go for a hike you take water right, well use it to clean the muck off of you, if you bring a change of clothes even better, make sure to burn your murder clothes. Make sure to bury the ashes.
Now go home. It'll be a while before the person will be missed especially if it's the weekend, and you strike early in the day. If you did a good job burying the body they won't find it, this is why i said the soil must be favorable, certain types of soil will fill in cavity's that are formed when something decomposes, so ground penetrating radar will be useless. The faster the body decomposes the better. Even if they find the body, if it's just bones, it will be impossible to tell how they died. Ligature strangulation doesn't cause a hangman's fracture on the hyoid bone, especially if you pull the ligature low onto the neck.
Don't take a trophy, don't commit any other crimes until you have gotten rid of everything you need to dispose of. If you can make it happen that the body isn't found in some immediate search and rescue operation you will get away with it. That said you could take the victim's clothes, although now you are touching the body but if you wanna take that risk you can, you can take the clothes, and dump them somewhere in the forest as a red herring. To divert any search efforts. -
2022-01-06 at 8:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie I probably wouldn't, being a murderer that doesn't get caught is a full time job. I have some options though, and i would go about it differently in the USA than i would here. If you can manage not to get caught in the act and you have a good place to dispose of the body like a forest, with favorable soil. You'd probably want to hang out on the forest trail, act like you like nature. Then when you see a victim you like, you walk up from behind and place industrial sized tie-wrap around their neck. make sure you got a few loops daisy chained together for distance and an end that has a handle for your hand or something so you can pull hard. Then as the person is panicking you drag them off the trail deep into the forest, someplace you scouted beforehand.
They will be dead within 5 minutes but 5 minutes off the trail is too close. So make it as far as you can. If you're smart you will have a grave ready to go, a rather deep one too. Put corpse in hole, cut tie-wrap loose and bring it with you, that's evidence you gotta burn, fill hole. Make it look as if nothing has been disturbed.
Even if you can't manage the last part if you make sure the spot is far off the beaten track, you will have a better chance. When you go for a hike you take water right, well use it to clean the muck off of you, if you bring a change of clothes even better, make sure to burn your murder clothes. Make sure to bury the ashes.
Now go home. It'll be a while before the person will be missed especially if it's the weekend, and you strike early in the day. If you did a good job burying the body they won't find it, this is why i said the soil must be favorable, certain types of soil will fill in cavity's that are formed when something decomposes, so ground penetrating radar will be useless. The faster the body decomposes the better. Even if they find the body, if it's just bones, it will be impossible to tell how they died. Ligature strangulation doesn't cause a hangman's fracture on the hyoid bone, especially if you pull the ligature low onto the neck.
Don't take a trophy, don't commit any other crimes until you have gotten rid of everything you need to dispose of. If you can make it happen that the body isn't found in some immediate search and rescue operation you will get away with it. That said you could take the victim's clothes, although now you are touching the body but if you wanna take that risk you can, you can take the clothes, and dump them somewhere in the forest as a red herring. To divert any search efforts.
That sounds simple enough and maybe the best option. What would you do about their phone? I live near a forest but don’t think I could pull that off because of bird-watchers, more people in the forest because of covid and not being strong enough to strangle or drag someone. During the first lockdown there were a lot of teens camping, it was like Lord of The Flies. -
2022-01-06 at 8:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kafka That sounds simple enough and maybe the best option. What would you do about their phone? I live near a forest but don’t think I could pull that off because of bird-watchers, more people in the forest because of covid and not being strong enough to strangle or drag someone. During the first lockdown there were a lot of teens camping, it was like Lord of The Flies.
Good point on the phone, go to google maps and look at the forest, find cell towers, if there's three with overlapping ranges (5 to 10 miles radius). You can't take the phone with you to the dumping spot. Three overlapping service towers can triangulate the location of a phone that's pinging off of them. If there is an area, that only is covered by one tower, they can only tell whether or not the phone pinged at a certain time. Plotting towers over time gives you radii of possible locations and the direction. With one tower you can kill the person and dump them, retrieve the phone, and now just go for an extra walk, the scenic route if you will. Drop the phone somewhere just like you would with the clothes and make it a red herring.
Also, how big is this forest you are talking about, sounds small af. -
2022-01-06 at 8:31 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Good point on the phone, go to google maps and look at the forest, find cell towers, if there's three with overlapping ranges (5 to 10 miles radius). You can't take the phone with you to the dumping spot. Three overlapping service towers can triangulate the location of a phone that's pinging off of them. If there is an area, that only is covered by one tower, they can only tell whether or not the phone pinged at a certain time. Plotting towers over time gives you radii of possible locations and the direction. With one tower you can kill the person and dump them, retrieve the phone, and now just go for an extra walk, the scenic route if you will. Drop the phone somewhere just like you would with the clothes and make it a red herring.
Also, how big is this forest you are talking about, sounds small af.
Okay I was not expecting that answer, didn’t know that about the phone towers. It’s Tollymore forest park and they have GoT tours. Forgot about nature photographers as well. -
2022-01-06 at 8:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by Kafka Okay I was not expecting that answer, didn’t know that about the phone towers. It’s Tollymore forest park and they have GoT tours. Forgot about nature photographers as well.
I'm talking USA National Park style forest. Also if your local forest is too crowded maybe go to another one? -
2022-01-06 at 8:49 AM UTCOr maybe not commit murder.
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2022-01-06 at 2:58 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Who is them?
Also the first question the police will ask of the victim's next of kin is: Was person X known to visit hoboville? If the answer is no, they're going to take the situation more seriously. Because now they have to come up with a reason why the person would be there.
they do have to come up with a reason. I say "lure them into hoboville" so the reason is already accounted for. maybe they go there to get a fix or pussy or something simple as a pawn shop -
2022-01-06 at 3:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by mmQ Why would it have to be another state or a bum if you're capable of not being seen and not leaving evidence? You could just kill anyone you wanted.
State jurisdiction...investigations usually are done locally as are murders, a nationwide search is rare. IF you was spotted or left evidence again it's harder to trace if you are an out of state person (and assuming your DNA isn't already in the system). Also along those lines any DNA/Blood tests done of the local population wouldn't be allowed to happen across state lines.
A bum because the effort put in to find the killer is minimal by the cops, they are not going to spend X amount of dollars looking for the killer of a bum...especially if said bum has no family that particularly cares about him/her. -
2022-01-06 at 10:28 PM UTC
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2022-01-06 at 10:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson State jurisdiction…investigations usually are done locally as are murders, a nationwide search is rare. IF you was spotted or left evidence again it's harder to trace if you are an out of state person (and assuming your DNA isn't already in the system). Also along those lines any DNA/Blood tests done of the local population wouldn't be allowed to happen across state lines.
A bum because the effort put in to find the killer is minimal by the cops, they are not going to spend X amount of dollars looking for the killer of a bum…especially if said bum has no family that particularly cares about him/her.
Your comment implied that the person was capable of leaving no evidence and there being no witnesses, in which case one shouldn't have to limit themselves to just killing bums, for that very reason, because that reason is already covered in that it won't happen. Know what I mean?
It should've been more like "if you're worried you might leave evidence or be seen by someone, then your best bet would be to choose a homeless bum across state lines to reduce the chances of any potential investigation leading back to you.
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2022-01-06 at 11:37 PM UTCAnd homeless bums offer very little resistance to being strangled to death. They're already weak from having no food and water.
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2022-01-06 at 11:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sophie Are you an acid bath typa feller? Or do you prefer a quiet spot in the woods? What about CCTV? What about cell phones? How would you go about committing the perfect murder? You can pick any victim, and any accessories you might need as long as it is within reason. Ain't no way you're gonna get your hands on a Polonium-218 bb and something that shoots it.
Do you know how2forensics?
How in the hell would being on CCTV allow you to get away with murder? it would prove you're the murderer or at least prove a murder in process. -
2022-01-06 at 11:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ And homeless bums offer very little resistance to being strangled to death. They're already weak from having no food and water.
The idealist murder is you find a bum, and just sit down with them and offer them a drink that's already preloaded with ricin or whatever. Then they just die without you ever having to touch them. -
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2022-01-07 at 3:38 AM UTCEveryone is killable. Where there's a will there's a way.
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2022-01-07 at 3:40 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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