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  2. Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood No, I am against mandatory vaccination and think it's stupid. Companies should be able to enforce their own policies.

    no they cant because their customers dont choose between vaxxing and non-vaxxing companies.

    anti-vaxxers have yet to boycott companies and establishmemts that mandates vaxxination.
  3. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    Salon
    mRNA vaccines changed the course of the pandemic. Now, they could cure all kinds of other diseases
    Matthew Rozsa


    The COVID-19 pandemic is what historians refer to as an "inflection point," or a single event that has a dramatic and sweeping effect on the human story. In the case of this particular event, it changed the way we work, raised awareness about public health policy, contributed to the toppling of a president — and, in the field of medicine, resulted in a leap forward for vaccine technology. Indeed, one of the great unsung achievements amid the pandemic was how scientists from around the world worked together to create multiple effective vaccines in less than a year.

    Yet what may prove most historic is the biotechnology that emerged from the pandemic. Specifically, the vision of an mRNA vaccine went from dream to reality. And the successful creation of a viable mRNA vaccine could have repercussions for the way diseases are treated for centuries.

    That technology, whose development was quickened by the pandemic, is already being studied to treat other diseases. Earlier this month, scientists at Yale University created a prototype mRNA vaccine that protected guinea pigs from tick-borne diseases by training their immune systems to recognize and fight proteins found in tick saliva. They hope that, with some further development, this could be used to help humans avoid developing Lyme disease if a tick bites them.

    Yet this is merely one example of mRNA vaccines' potential, revealing how they have far more utility than merely fighting COVID-19. Indeed, mRNA vaccines are something of a holy grail of medical innovation — and researchers believe that mRNA vaccines and their underlying biotechnology could be used to fight diseases like HIV, cancer, and influenza.

    The promise of mRNA vaccines

    As their name suggests, mRNA vaccines depend on the nucleic acid known as RNA. RNA is a molecule similar to DNA, but it is single-stranded (DNA is double-stranded) and plays a large number of roles in keeping your cells alive and healthy. But don't think they are unique to humans: They are found in all living things. There are also certain types of viruses — like SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 — that could be characterized as little more than RNA strands surrounded by protein shells. Like all viruses, they take over cells and force them to churn out other copies of themselves, the worst kind of mooch you can imagine.

    Yet RNA and mRNA are not precisely the same thing. mRNA refers to "messenger RNA," a specific type of RNA that (as indicated by its name) transmits information from genetic codes in the nucleus to the cytoplasm where proteins are manufactured.

    This hints at how mRNA vaccines work, which is essentially by giving your cells a blueprint of a part of a virus, and then having them manufacture what they need on their own. Previously, vaccines contained either a dead or weakened version of a pathogen, which the immune system would then learn to recognize. But mRNA vaccines don't actually contain any of a live or dead virus; instead, they contain a set of instructions (in mRNA) that infects some of the host's cells and makes them spit out a piece of protein associated with a pathogen. One's cells never manufacture the actual virus; only a piece of its "shell," say. Those pieces are then detected by the immune system and identified and destroyed. It would be a bit like learning the presence of a criminal by identifying the look of their clothing, rather than the criminal themselves.

    In the case of the mRNA vaccines manufactured by Pfizer and Moderna, the mRNA contains instructions for one's cells on how to create the spike protein. The spike proteins are the little points that emerge out of the coronavirus, like spines jutting from a sea urchin, and they are what the SARS-CoV-2 virus uses to enter your cells and get you sick with COVID-19. The mRNA vaccines have been extraordinarily successful in protecting the vaccinated; even though they have not entirely thwarted breakthrough cases, they significantly reduce the likelihood of getting sick, and the people who do develop infections with evasive mutant variants rarely become seriously ill. Most notably, mRNA vaccines were the first ones to be released on the market, with Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna winning the vaccine race exactly one year ago this month.

    The next mRNA vaccines

    In terms of their world-changing potential, mRNA vaccines have two key characteristics: They are quick to make, as demonstrated by the speed with which Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna came out with their products, and by their very nature they are versatile.

    As the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) wrote in March, mRNA vaccine technology has the potential to treat diseases like malaria and cystic fibrosis, tuberculosis and hepatitis B. All scientists will have to do is modify RNA strands as needed to account for the different antigens (foreign substances recognized by the immune system as threats) produced by each pathogen. Instead of making do with the materials immediately available to them, mRNA vaccines make it possible for scientists to create more specialized weapons based on detailed knowledge of their enemies' specific characteristics.

    Take the influenza epidemic. One so-called "holy grail" of immunology is a universal influenza vaccine. Right now there are four influenza viruses in circulation, all of which evolve so quickly that vaccines which were effective in one year may be obsolete by the next. This puts manufacturers in a crunch, as it takes at least six months to create the conventional vaccinations with attenuated viruses grown inside chicken eggs. The final product, though almost always safe, has a very hit-and-miss rate of effectiveness. An mRNA vaccine, by contrast, could in theory be designed to effectively fight all four strains and be quickly modified as necessary when they evolve. In addition, while conventional vaccine platforms have to hit a precise target in order to destroy a given intruder, an mRNA vaccine could target multiple parts of an influenza virus at once, overwhelming it with a full-body assault that can't be easily shaken off.

    In fact, we already know that the early stages of mRNA flu vaccines were effective because scientists used that research to help develop their COVID-19 vaccines. This speaks to how malleable the platform is: While conventional vaccine platforms require patients to hope that the pathogen injected into their body is similar enough to a possible flu infection to be effective, mRNA vaccines could be precisely designed to meet the specific characteristics of each new strain as it emerges.

    There will be challenges to pulling this off, of course. Anna Blakney, an RNA bioengineer at the University of British Columbia, told the journal Nature that there is no guarantee mRNA will be an effective vehicle for transporting haemagglutinin glycoproteins, the protein that flu vaccines use to fight the different bugs. As Blakney put it, "Did we just get really incredibly lucky with COVID vaccines because of the antigen design and the immunodominancy of that protein? Or have we stumbled on something that's functional for other viral glycoproteins as well?"

    In addition to aiding in the war against influenza, mRNA vaccines could also be a game-changer in the fight against cancer. In the pre-mRNA vaccine world, the mere notion of a "cancer vaccine" would have seemed ludicrous; vaccines work by protecting your body against a foreign invader, and cancers (as far as we know) are caused by your own body producing mutated cells. Yet just as an mRNA vaccine can help your immune system recognize and destroy proteins associated with dangerous pathogens, they could in theory be developed to identify and eliminate proteins associated with cancer cells — and, of course, the cancer cells themselves.

    "A successful therapeutic cancer vaccine should induce strong T cell responses, particularly with CD8+ T cells, which have a known capacity to kill malignant cells," Dr. Norbert Pardi, whose research led to the develop of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, explained to the University of Pennsylvania. "Therapeutic cancer vaccines would be given to cancer patients with the hope that those vaccine-induced cytotoxic T cells would clear tumor cells."

    HIV mRNA vaccines are theorized to be possible, though there are massive hurdles to be overcome. The challenge so far has been that none of the vaccine candidates developed up to this point have produced broadly neutralizing antibodies, which are vital to blocking HIV in target cells. Scientists hope that an mRNA vaccine would create an immunogen (an antigen that induces an immune response) that resembles the HIV virus and can help the body develop those broadly neutralizing antibodies against it. Unfortunately, researchers are still very early in working through this, and it seems like a HIV vaccine using this technology is not in the near future.

    "We certainly think that an HIV vaccine will be far and away the most complicated vaccine that we've ever had to put into the population," Derek Cain of Duke University's Human Vaccine Institute told The Guardian. "We don't expect it to work 100% or 90% like the Covid vaccines, but even if we can get to 50-60% that would be a success; 70% would be amazing."

    What comes next

    The future for mRNA technology is not one of unbounded promise. As the AAMC noted, each virus poses its own individual puzzle, which makes it unlikely that other ailments can be treated with the rapid success that occurred when fighting COVID-19. Similarly, although the COVID-19 vaccines have so far not caused widespread serious side effects, this may not be true for other mRNA vaccines; more research will definitely be needed. In addition, the COVID-19 pandemic was such an overwhelming and serious crisis that the international community collaborated in fruitful ways that may not repeat themselves if a future outbreak seems less urgent.

    There are also logistical factors to take into consideration. The supply chain breakdowns prompted by the pandemic are poised to get worse due to climate change, and experts are already concerned that mRNA vaccines will get destroyed as they are transported because they must be kept in very clean and ultra-cold conditions. It is hard to imagine that the impending supply chain deteriorations won't exacerbate that problem, as will the ongoing disease of misinformation. Since anti-vaccine advocates can alter their baseless beliefs as easily as viruses change their genetic composition, some of this misinformation specifically targets mRNA platforms. One particularly prevalent myth right now is that mRNA vaccines change your DNA, even though (as the above explanation makes clear) this betrays a deep ignorance about how vaccines, viruses, cellular biology and the immune system actually work.

    Finally, as with all biotechnology, governments and businesses will have to adequately invest.

    "Despite the promise of mRNA vaccines, we caution that they are far from a silver bullet for future pandemics," Michael J. Hogan and Norbert Pardi write in an Annual Review of Medicine article. "Comprehensive pandemic preparedness requires significant new investments in viral surveillance, proactive clinical testing of vaccines for pandemic-potential viruses, new diagnostic technologies, broad-spectrum antiviral treatments, and stockpiling of materials."
  4. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    Originally posted by stl1 mRNA vaccines changed the course of the pandemic.

    except not really

    Originally posted by aldra Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
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  5. the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no they cant because their customers dont choose between vaxxing and non-vaxxing companies.

    anti-vaxxers have yet to boycott companies and establishmemts that mandates vaxxination.

    well they should
  6. Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood well they should

    are you confusing should for are again.
  7. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    1. CDC Director Said Unvaccinated People are 14 Times More Likely to Die From COVID and 6 Times More Likely to Catch It

    Walensky warned that the data "continue to show that unvaccinated people are six times more likely to test positive for COVID-19 than vaccinated individuals and most tragic, or the vaccine preventable deaths" and "unvaccinated people are at 14 times greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were vaccinated." Although some breakthrough infections are leading to severe COVID, "overall, when looking at hospitalization rates, unvaccinated adults had nine times higher rate of hospitalizations than vaccinated adults. Infections among the unvaccinated, continue to drive this pandemic hospitalizations and deaths tragically at a time when we have vaccines that can provide incredible protection."
  8. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    FROM THE "YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP" FILE



    The Guardian
    Seven doctors contract Covid after attending Florida anti-vaccine summit
    Maya Yang


    Seven anti-vaccine doctors fell sick after gathering earlier this month for a Florida “summit” at which alternative treatments for Covid-19 were discussed.

    “I have been on ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I,” Dr Bruce Boros told attendees at the event held at the World Equestrian Center in Ocala, adding: “I have never felt healthier in my life.”

    The 71-year-old cardiologist and staunch anti-vaccine advocate contracted Covid-19 two days later, according to the head event organizer, Dr John Littell.

    Littell, an Ocala family physician, also told the Daily Beast six other doctors among 800 to 900 participants at the event also tested positive or developed Covid-19 symptoms “within days of the conference”.

    People wait in line at a Covid testing site in Palmetto, Florida, in August.
    Littell raised the suggestion the conference was therefore a super-spreader event but rejected it, vehemently saying: “No.

    “I think they had gotten it from New York or Michigan or wherever they were from,” he told the Beast. “It was really the people who flew in from other places.”

    He also said: “Everybody so far has responded to treatment with ivermectin … Bruce is doing well.”

    The Beast said sources close to Boros said he was gravely ill at his Key West home.

    Ivermectin is an antiparasitic which has uses in humans but is predominantly used in livestock such as cows and horses. Authorities say it has no proven use against Covid-19 and can be dangerous if taken in large quantities. The US Food and Drug Administration has not authorized or approved ivermectin as a Covid treatment and has said clinical trials are ongoing.

    Boros has claimed ivermectin is “working where it’s being used around the world” as a Covid treatment.

    In the same Facebook post, he condemned Dr Anthony Fauci, Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, as “a fraud” and said “big pharma is playing us for suckers”.

    In a July interview with Florida Keys Weekly, Boros responded to criticisms of his post, saying: “It breaks my heart that a town like this has made something so political and hateful. What’s wrong with people? I just want to help patients and keep them from dying.”

    He also claimed that he gave a seriously ill Covid-19 patient ivermectin and “within six hours he was talking without coughing”.

    At the summit in Ocala, Boros criticized his 97-year-old father for getting a Covid vaccine, saying: “He had been brainwashed … He got it. He didn’t tell me. I was very upset. I wanted to give him a spanking. He got both jabs.”

    Earlier this year, a significant study supporting ivermectin as a Covid-19 treatment was withdrawn after data was found to have been falsified and patients nonexistent.

    The FDA says people should “never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19 in humans is dangerous.”
  9. Originally posted by stl1 “I have been on ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I,” Dr Bruce Boros told attendees at the event held at the World Equestrian Center in Ocala, adding: “I have never felt healthier in my life.”
    I don't believe that. How long has ivermectins anti-covid activity been noted? 6 months or so?

    Earlier this year, a significant study supporting ivermectin as a Covid-19 treatment was withdrawn after data was found to have been falsified and patients nonexistent.
    There are several studies showing ivermectin has therapeutic potential. This is misleading language - and I actually doubt it's even true.

    The FDA says people should “never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19 in humans is dangerous.”

    A lie. Ivermectin is a chemical, and active in mammals. It's not some sort of magical thing.

    In short, I don't believe your article. It's obviously made up.
  10. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/documents-show-bill-gates-has-given-319-million-to-media-outlets/278943/
    https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants?q=the%20guardian

    The Guardian runs at almost a $20million deficit and is kept afloat by 'philanthropists' and other benefactors with their own vested interests

    The Gates Foundation alone has 'donated' around $13 million to them in the last decade
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  11. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    https://archive.md/o8yjX


    linked article on the 'withdrawn study'

    it refers to 'Surgisphere' which sounds familiar, pretty sure everyone knew it was a scam right away


    ***LOL winner:

    https://niggasin.space/thread/53413?p=13#post-1097643


    the study was about hydroxyquinbwuitrgbweriugbn, not ivermectin
  12. aldra JIDF Controlled Opposition
    oh ok, they were two different 'studies' which were based on Surgisphere statistical data which turned out to be made up
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  13. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    Originally posted by Donald Trump In short, I don't believe your article. It's obviously made up.




    Read it and weep.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/florida-doctors-covid-coronavirus-bruce-boros?utm_te
  14. Originally posted by stl1 Read it and weep.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/23/florida-doctors-covid-coronavirus-bruce-boros?utm_te

    Are you posting the link as some sort of proof?
  15. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    You claimed the article was made up.
  16. Originally posted by stl1 You claimed the article was made up.

    I stand by that assertion.
  17. the man who put it in my hood Black Hole [miraculously counterclaim my golf]
    Originally posted by stl1 The FDA says people should “never use medications intended for animals on yourself or other people. Animal ivermectin products are very different from those approved for humans. Use of animal ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19 in humans is dangerous.”

    I used to sell ivermectin for a living and many other farm chemicals like povidone iodine and bag balm and they are very commonly used "off label" for use in humans. People use horse ivermectin on dogs and other animals

    I have heard of people using it in 2011

    Even if the formulations are somehow dangerous in humans you could always extract it. Ivermectin itself I don't think is harmful but a preparation could be

    Side effects, although uncommon, include fever, itching, and skin rash when taken by mouth; and red eyes, dry skin, and burning skin when used topically for head lice. It is unclear if the drug is safe for use during pregnancy, but it is probably acceptable for use during breastfeeding.

    Ivermectin is considered relatively free of toxicity in standard doses (around 300 µg/kg). Based on the data drug safety sheet for ivermectin, side effects are uncommon. However, serious adverse events following ivermectin treatment are more common in people with very high burdens of larval Loa loa worms in their blood. Those who have over 30,000 microfilaria per milliliter of blood risk inflammation and capillary blockage due to the rapid death of the microfilaria following ivermectin treatment.

    One concern is neurotoxicity after large overdoses, which in most mammalian species may manifest as central nervous system depression, ataxia, coma, and even death, as might be expected from potentiation of inhibitory chloride channels.

    Overdoses are much larger (200mg) than what you would take in a normal dose, even then people have survived taking that much after getting sick.
  18. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    Wrong.

    I believe what you are actually attempting to state (while failing miserably) is that the information within the article was made up.

    The article itself was not made up. The link proves that.
  19. Originally posted by stl1 Wrong.

    I believe what you are actually attempting to state (while failing miserably) is that the information within the article was made up.

    The article itself was not made up. The link proves that.

    OK Vinny. Got me. You are sharp tonight.
  20. stl1 Cum Lickin' Fagit
    Actually, with all the arguing, I feel more like Jiggly Booty than Vinny.
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