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2021-08-09 at 3:18 PM UTCME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
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2021-08-09 at 3:51 PM UTCThis a really good presentation on covid.
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2021-08-09 at 4:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump Which happens first, the Republican kill all the children with Covid or the Democrats turn them all into trannies?
How many children have died from the coof anyway? Your article seems to leave that out. It seems an important question.
How many are too many?
How many are enough? -
2021-08-09 at 4:26 PM UTC
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2021-08-09 at 4:27 PM UTC
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2021-08-09 at 6:40 PM UTCHey, if you Republicans want to see dead babies just go to your local pizza joint and try to order a "Democratic dead baby pizza".
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2021-08-09 at 6:50 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Making
All the children
Go
Away
Salon
The GOP's death cult comes for the children
Sophia Tesfaye
There is little doubt that the pandemic has exacerbated the fears parents have about their children's well-being. The typical parental anxiety now comes with worries about the latest Delta variant of COVID-19 —which appears to spread more easily in children than the initial coronavirus outbreak — questions on whether their children are going to have to wear masks when they go back to school, and anticipation for a yet-to-be approved vaccine for children under 12.
Over a year ago, Salon's Andrew O'Hehir described the mad scramble to reopen schools without a vaccine or coherent safety standards as "a 'Deer Hunter'-style game of Russian roulette, played blindfolded under conditions of complete chaos." One year later, Donald Trump is out of the White House but Republican and Democratic executives alike are all rushing to reopen schools — even as children under 12 are still not cleared to be inoculated despite an 84% jump in the number of children contracting COVID-19 last week alone.
On Thursday, the U.S. set a single-day record for the number of children admitted to a hospital with COVID-19. 261 children, some less than 1 year old, were admitted to U.S. hospitals on Aug 5th, updated HHS figures show. Anecdotally, Patricia Darnauer, the administrator for LBJ Hospital in Houston, noted that an 11-month-old girl had to be airlifted more than 170 miles away on Thursday because no pediatric hospitals would accept her. "We looked at all five major pediatric hospital groups and none [had beds] available." As of Sunday, there were only six ICU beds left in the 11-county Austin region.
Pediatric doctors in Texas have taken to Twitter to vent their concerns about rising cases of COVID in very young children. Dr. Heather Haq, a pediatrician at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, said she and her colleagues have been called on to work mandatory overtime shifts because the hospital also has "winter-level patient volumes of acutely ill infants/toddlers with" Respiratory Syncytial Virus.
"We're heading into dark times," Texas Medical Center CEO Bill McKeon said last week.
"If children are not masking in schools, it will be a major problem," Dr. Christina Propst told Houston's KTRK in a plea for mask mandates. Recently, Texas overtook New York in terms of total statewide deaths. But Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has banned such mandated precautions — even though we've already seen big camp and daycare outbreaks all summer with the delta variant. And inoculations are severely lagging among teenagers for whom the vaccine is available.
"No governmental entity can compel any individual to receive a Covid-19 vaccine administered under an emergency use authorization," Abbott said in an executive order. "No person may be required by any jurisdiction to wear or to mandate the wearing of a face covering."
The Texas Education Agency said last week that schools don't have to inform parents of positive cases; do not have to contact trace; and parents can choose to send a student to school if he or she has been in close contact with a COVID positive case. The agency argued that such precautions will not be required because of "the data from 2020-21 showing very low COVID-19 transmission rates in a classroom setting and data demonstrating lower transmission rates among children than adults."
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that everyone – students, teachers, staff and visitors – wear masks in schools. But Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, blasted the CDC guidance as "inconsistent" and "unscientific" before banning their required use indoors. Florida currently leads the nation in kids hospitalized for COVID-19, with 32 pediatric hospitalizations per day between July 24 and 30 (a rate of 0.76 children hospitalized per 100,000 residents), CDC data shared with The Tampa Bay-Times shows.
"Why would we have the government force masks on our kids when many of these kids are already immune through prior infection," DeSantis, notably not an immunologist, questioned just as the Sunshine State broke a COVID record, reporting over 21,000 new cases in residents under 19 years old. He has threatened to withhold funding from districts that require masks. As the New York Times reported over the weekend:
Mr. DeSantis has been unyielding in his approach to the pandemic, refusing to change course or impose restrictions despite uncontrolled spread and spiking hospitalizations – an approach that forced him to undertake the biggest risk of his rising political career.
DeSantis bigfooting mask mandates is now even being called out by other Republicans. Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., conceded on CNN Sunday, "I do disagree with Gov. DeSantis. The local officials should have control here."
It's hard not to watch the actions of Republican executives like Abbott and DeSantis in recent weeks and not conclude that the GOP's death cult has worked its way down to the children. After all, the Republican response to the coronavirus has been, in every facet, a method of leveraging, not solving, the pandemic. The Delta variant — more aggressively spread in children — looks to be no different.
In Florida, the state school board backed DeSantis while using the pandemic to prop up charter schools with taxpayer funds, providing vouchers to students who face mask requirements. See the plan here? Schools become so unsafe, uninforming, and inhospitable that parents are forced to push their children into private schools. It's a playbook as old as white flight from school desegregation under the guise of religious freedom. It's why conservatives have spent the pandemic rehashing the culture wars on new fronts — so-called critical race theory in schools and trans students in sports — while preventing all of the measures that would have likely meant a much safer return to in-person learning this fall. Republicans are using children as political pawns — again —but this time it is most certainly a matter of life and death.
masks ?
you mean slave muzzles.
no slave muzzles. ar-ar. -
2021-08-09 at 6:54 PM UTCmask mandate for thee,
a man-date for me.
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2021-08-09 at 7:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ME: CDC, should I get poke if I already had Covid?
CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
CDC: …
ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
CDC: Yes.
NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
CDC: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
CDC: That’s right.
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
CDC: Yes, for the collective.
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
CDC: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
CDC: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
CDC: Yes.
ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?
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ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?
QftThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-09 at 7:57 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Hey, if you Republicans want to see dead babies just go to your local pizza joint and try to order a "Democratic dead baby pizza".
Right, you bunch of twisted, sick fucks?
Yeah that sounds like a totally normal thing to ask for that won't totally get you justifiably added to the sex registry to try. -
2021-08-09 at 8:35 PM UTCThis might help, Donny.
satire
[ˈsaˌtī(ə)r]
NOUN
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. -
2021-08-09 at 8:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 This might help, Donny.
satire
[ˈsaˌtī(ə)r]
NOUN
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
Yeah lets ask a bunch of democrats about what having a sense of humor means.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-08-09 at 8:50 PM UTCWe'll be belly laughing our asses off on the 13th.
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2021-08-09 at 8:51 PM UTC
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2021-08-09 at 9:35 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump How many children have died from the coof anyway? Your article seems to leave that out. It seems an important question.
Maybe this article from CBS
About that is
Going to
Assist you
CBS News
Children make up 15% of U.S. COVID-19 cases
Caitlin O'Kane
More and more children are testing positive for COVID-19, and some doctors are not only reporting an uptick in cases but more severe illness for kids who contract the virus.
According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, 93,824 child COVID-19 cases were reported between July 29 and August 5, with children representing 15% of the weekly reported cases in the U.S. Since July 22, the total number of child COVID-19 cases has jumped 4%. As of August 5, nearly 4.3 million children in the U.S. have tested positive for COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic.
And while severe illness due to COVID-19 is uncommon among children, "there is an urgent need to collect more data on longer-term impacts of the pandemic on children, including ways the virus may harm the long-term physical health of infected children, as well as its emotional and mental health effects," the academy says.
Some doctors in Seattle have reported an increase of children with serious illness from COVID-19, urgent care nurse practitioner Justin Gill told CBSN last week. Gill said kids are not as susceptible to serious illness as adults, but with more cases come more hospitalizations.
"With Delta variant, we are seeing some younger people, even vaccinated and unvaccinated, but the vast majority of cases who get hospitalized tend to be unvaccinated individuals," Gill said. Kids under 12 cannot yet receive COVID-19 vaccines, which are still undergoing testing in younger age groups.
"Many of the people admitted here at Seattle Children's, as mentioned by multiple articles here, are unvaccinated people over the age of 12 and unvaccinated under the age of 12," Gill said. He added that vaccine approval for children under 12, which could come this fall, will be a big step in reducing those numbers.
Health experts believe the Delta variant is behind the uptick in cases. Dr. John McGuire, who works in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit at Seattle Children's, told CBS Seattle affiliate KOMO he hopes to get through this latest wave of the pandemic "as quickly as possible."
McGuire said a vast majority of child COVID-19 cases are in kids who are too young to get the shot — or whose families are unvaccinated.
"That's worrisome," he said. "We had hoped that with increased vaccine in the general population, we would see fewer cases."
"One way to protect [kids], because they're not yet eligible, is to have the people that they're around be vaccinated," he added.
Gill said masks are also important to reduce the spread of COVID-19, including for vaccinated people who may be exposed to high loads of the virus.
"Mask use, specifically in schools where you have a large number of unvaccinated children potentially, is a common sense step to help us get over the pandemic," he said.
Seattle isn't the only U.S. city seeing a surge in children's cases. CBS News correspondent David Begnaud reported Sunday night that Children's Hospital New Orleans currently has 18 children hospitalized with COVID-19, including six in the ICU and three who were on ventilators.
Begnaud visited Children's Hospital New Orleans on July 29, when the hospital reported 20 children hospitalized with COVID-19. "A lot of these kids are very sick with respiratory symptoms. Literally starved for oxygen," Dr. Mark Kline told Begnaud.
Jacquez Lee, a 17-year-old high school football player, was in the emergency room experiencing difficulty breathing, headaches and coughing.
"If he wouldn't have gotten the first dose of the vaccination, his sickness would've been way worse than what it is now," his mother, Fatina Watkins, said.
Louisiana has one of the nation's lowest vaccination rates, and over just two weeks 1% of the state's entire population has caught the virus, CBS News' Mark Strassmann reported on "Face the Nation."
"We have more children sick with COVID-19 than at any other time during the pandemic," Governor John Bel Edwards said.
Texas and Florida now make up about one-third of COVID-19 cases in the U.S., and governors of both states oppose universal mask rules as schools open. The American Academy of Pediatrics has recommended that all children over the age of 2 wear masks when they go back to school.
Among adolescents and teens who are old enough to get vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says about 51% of 16-17-year-olds and 40% of 12-15-year-olds have gotten at least one dose. About 7.7 million are fully vaccinated.
The CDC says that while children are generally at lower risk for serious illness from COVID-19 than adults, those with preexisting conditions may face more severe symptoms. And even some previously healthy kids are ending up hospitalized.
A study published in April that observed a cohort of more than 20,000 pediatric COVID-19 patients found that 2,430 — 11.7% — were hospitalized, and about 31% of those hospitalized experienced severe illness.
Several studies also show that some children may experience lingering symptoms, or "long COVID."
A study out of Gemelli University in Rome followed 129 children ages 18 or under who were diagnosed with COVID-19, and found that about a third of them had one or two lingering symptoms four months or more after infection, and a quarter had three or more symptoms, including insomnia, fatigue, muscle pain and persistent cold-like complaints, according to the study, published in Acta Paediatrica journal. -
2021-08-09 at 9:38 PM UTCVaccinated people may play key role in aiding evolution of more dangerous COVID variants, study says
READ all about it!!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccinated-people-may-play-key-role-in-aiding-evolution-of-more-dangerous-covid-variants-study-says/ -
2021-08-09 at 9:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by AngryOnion Vaccinated people may play key role in aiding evolution of more dangerous COVID variants, study says
READ all about it!!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccinated-people-may-play-key-role-in-aiding-evolution-of-more-dangerous-covid-variants-study-says/
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2021-08-09 at 10:22 PM UTCMake that
Asshole Trump
Grab his
Ankles as he gets spanked
The Hill
Whistleblower scientist settles complaint over Trump COVID-19 response
Nathaniel Weixel
A former leading government scientist who says he was ousted from his job by the Trump administration has settled his whistleblower complaint against the federal government.
Rick Bright led the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) until he was removed in April 2020.
Bright filed a whistleblower complaint alleging the Trump administration prioritized politics above science, and claimed his efforts to push back on the use of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus contributed to his removal.
According to the complaint, Bright pressed the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) about the threat of the virus and the urgent need to act, but "encountered indifference which then developed into hostility from HHS leadership."
While Bright was pressing HHS officials to provide necessary resources to begin vaccine, drug and diagnostic development to combat COVID-19, he alleged former HHS Secretary Alex Azar was instead focused on downplaying the threat of the virus.
After being removed as head of BARDA, Bright was reassigned to a much narrower role at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to develop COVID-19 treatments. He subsequently filed an updated complaint, accusing top HHS officials of trying to discredit him and prevent him from being successful in the new role.
According to his attorney Debra Katz, Bright's employment claims have been settled but the investigation into his underlying claim of serious government wrongdoing is ongoing.
The Office of Special Counsel, a watchdog agency that investigates complaints from government whistleblowers, previously found "reasonable grounds" that the Trump administration retaliated against Bright.
HHS under the previous administration denied any wrongdoing. The Hill has reached out to the agency for comment.
In a statement, Katz's office said Bright "has been compensated to the fullest extent allowed by the law. He will receive back pay, and compensatory damages for the distress caused by the President and his administration's vicious campaign to discredit him as a 'creep' and a 'disgruntled employee.'"
Bright resigned from NIH in October. Following his departure from the Trump administration, he served on President Biden's transition team as a member of the COVID-19 Task Force.
He now works with the Rockefeller Foundation, working to develop a pandemic prevention institute that will respond to emerging disease threats.
"I am grateful to have resolved my employment claims so I can focus all of my attention on my lifelong career goal: containing global outbreaks and preventing pandemics to ensure the world never again suffers the consequences we have seen over the past 18 months," Bright said in a statement. -
2021-08-10 at 12:04 AM UTCWhy is Trump the asshole?
The vaccine was made under his watch.
