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2021-06-30 at 3:14 PM UTCSo good it deserved posting twice!
Originally posted by stl1 Historians rank Trump near the bottom of U.S. presidents as Obama rises into the top 10
Susan Page, USA TODAY 14 mins ago
Donald Trump is ranked near the bottom of all U.S. presidents by a group of historians, getting the lowest grades for leadership of any commander in chief who has served in the White House in the past 150 years.
The ratings of presidents on 10 leadership qualities, the fourth in a series conducted by C-SPAN, includes assessments by 142 historians and professional observers of the presidency.
The findings underscore the duality of Trump's standing, unprecedented among his fellow presidents. After his upset victory in 2016 and his defeat in 2020, historians hold him in the lowest regard of any president since soon after the Civil War. But he continues to be the face of the Republican Party and its most influential figure, and he is viewed as a potential contender for the GOP's presidential nomination in 2024.
Among other modern presidents, Barack Obama has risen to No. 10, compared with No. 12 in the last C-SPAN historians' survey, in 2017. Ronald Reagan is ranked at No. 9; Bill Clinton at No. 19; George H.W. Bush at No. 21, and George W. Bush at No. 29.
Richard Nixon, the only president forced to resign the office amid scandal, is rated No. 31.
Ranking Donald Trump
Trump is the only president ever to be impeached twice by the House of Representatives, first for demanding political favors from Ukraine in exchange for military aid, then for inciting the mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 in an attempt to stop the Electoral College results from being certified by Congress.
The Senate voted to acquit him in both impeachment trials.
In the past, Trump has described himself as "a big history fan," but he also has routinely ridiculed and discounted criticism from historians and other "elites" as unwarranted and unfair. Experts "can't see the forest for the trees," he complained in a 2016 interview.
The historians rate Trump as the worst president in history on two of ten qualities, "moral authority" and "administrative skills." His strongest standing is on "public persuasion," on which he was ranked No. 32.
Since 2000, C-SPAN has taken the survey each time there has been a change in White House administrations. The public affairs network, known for its gavel-to-gavel coverage of the House and Senate, said that in this year's survey it significantly increased the number of historians participating and their diversity in race, gender, age and philosophy.
Lincoln steady at the top, Buchanan ranked lowest
Abraham Lincoln has been ranked at the top of the list in each of the four surveys. George Washington, Franklin Roosevelt and Theodore Roosevelt have also been steadily among the top five. Dwight Eisenhower was ranked fifth this year and in 2017.
The lowest ranking president is James Buchanan, Lincoln's predecessor, whose divisive tenure helped precipitate the Civil War.
Presidential historian Richard Norton Smith, an adviser to the survey, called the stability at the top and bottom of the list notable. "By contrast, the living presidents seem much more likely to fluctuate," he said. "It's almost as if there was a boomerang effect where historians go overboard a bit when presidents leave office and they are at the nadir of their partisan reputation, and then they graduate to a less political status."
The category that has seen the greatest change in assessments over the past two decades is the one focused on the pursuit of equal justice, a subject of increasing scrutiny by historians and others. On that measure, the standings of Ulysses S. Grant and Calvin Coolidge have most improved, while those of Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe and Nixon have most declined.
"Despite the fact that we've become more aware of the historical implications of racial injustice in this country and we're continuing to grapple with those issues, we still have slaveholding presidents at or near the top of the list," said Edna Greene Medford, a Howard University historian and adviser to the survey. "So even though we may be a bit more enlightened about race today, we are still discounting its significant when evaluating these presidents." -
2021-06-30 at 3:19 PM UTC
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2021-06-30 at 3:22 PM UTCSays a graduate of the disgraced Republican ex-president's club.
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2021-06-30 at 3:24 PM UTC
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2021-06-30 at 3:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny presidents dont do administrative duties.
All leaders are administrators, moving people around, trying to keep things working, personalities from clashing, making sure people who will do what you tell them to do are in charge.
You can't just march in and tell people what to do, they won't listen and won't do it. -
2021-06-30 at 3:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump All leaders are administrators, moving people around, trying to keep things working, personalities from clashing, making sure people who will do what you tell them to do are in charge.
no, leaders lead.
administrators administrate.
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2021-06-30 at 3:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny no, leaders lead.
administrators administrate.
presidents are ellected leaders, not elected admins.
Leaders need a base of support. Power is all about people. You can't just tell people what to do, they just won't do it. Ever hear of the bureaucrats veto? That means they say they are working on something, but don't. There is nothing politicians can do. -
2021-06-30 at 3:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 What do you find so humorous about the need for administrative skills as a President?
nothing wrong with needing some degree of administrative skills, what's amusing is that they used it as grading criteria to make Obama look favourable to Trump, instead of say foreign wars started or number of US citizens assassinated -
2021-06-30 at 3:35 PM UTC
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2021-06-30 at 3:37 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump Leaders need a base of support. Power is all about people. You can't just tell people what to do, they just won't do it.
thats what differentiate a good leader from a bad keader. a good leader says he wanted something done, his followers get it done unquestionably.Ever hear of the bureaucrats veto? That means they say they are working on something, but don't. There is nothing politicians can do.
they only thrive and fester under bad leader like weeds thrive and fester on the land of bad farmer. -
2021-06-30 at 3:38 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-06-30 at 3:59 PM UTCYet another take:
Mediaite
Trump Ranked WORST Living Former President — But He Did Beat Three Dead Ones
Tommy Christopher
Former President and current Florida resort proprietor Donald Trump, made his first appearance on C-Span’s Presidential Historians Survey, where he ranked dead last among living ex-presidents, far below top-ranked former President Barack Obama.
C-Span has conducted the survey every four years since 2000 by having historians, professors and other professional observers of the presidency rank all former presidents in ten categroies, then ranking them by the total scores based on averages from each category.
President Obama moved into the top 10 for the first time with a total score of 664, receiving his highest marks in the “Pursued Equal Justice For All” category, and his lowest in “Relations with Congress.”
Trump came in at number 41, according to C-Span’s chart, which put him in a tie with 42nd-ranked former President Franklin Pierce at 312 total points. But the exact tabulation of their averages shows Trump edged Pierce by 2/10 of one point, scoring an even 312 to Pierce’s 311.8. Trump’s highest marks were in “Public Persuasion” and his lowest were for “Moral Authority.”
Pierce’s lowest score was for “Pursued Equal Justice For All” with 23 points, even lower than Trump’s 27.6-point score in the same category.
So which presidents were worse than Trump? According to the 142 historians who responded to the survey, Andrew Johnson (43rd) and James Buchanan (44th) weren’t just worse than Trump, they were A LOT worse. Trump enjoys nearly a 100 point lead over the pair.
But Trump has his work cut out for him on the ranking of living U.S. presidents. He’s got to climb 183 points and 12 slots to get past former President George W. Bush, who has actually improved since his debut at number 36 on the survey in 2009, and 33rd place in 2017.
Former President Bill Clinton dropped to number 19 after peaking at 14th in 2009 and edging down to 15th in 2017, while President Jimmy Carter moved up one spot to 26th. -
2021-06-30 at 4:06 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Yet another take:
Mediaite
Trump Ranked WORST Living Former President — But He Did Beat Three Dead Ones
Tommy Christopher
Former President and current Florida resort proprietor Donald Trump, made his first appearance on C-Span’s Presidential Historians Survey, where he ranked dead last among living ex-presidents, far below top-ranked former President Barack Obama.
C-Span has conducted the survey every four years since 2000 by having historians, professors and other professional observers of the presidency rank all former presidents in ten categroies, then ranking them by the total scores based on averages from each category.
President Obama moved into the top 10 for the first time with a total score of 664, receiving his highest marks in the “Pursued Equal Justice For All” category, and his lowest in “Relations with Congress.”
Trump came in at number 41, according to C-Span’s chart, which put him in a tie with 42nd-ranked former President Franklin Pierce at 312 total points. But the exact tabulation of their averages shows Trump edged Pierce by 2/10 of one point, scoring an even 312 to Pierce’s 311.8. Trump’s highest marks were in “Public Persuasion” and his lowest were for “Moral Authority.”
Pierce’s lowest score was for “Pursued Equal Justice For All” with 23 points, even lower than Trump’s 27.6-point score in the same category.
So which presidents were worse than Trump? According to the 142 historians who responded to the survey, Andrew Johnson (43rd) and James Buchanan (44th) weren’t just worse than Trump, they were A LOT worse. Trump enjoys nearly a 100 point lead over the pair.
But Trump has his work cut out for him on the ranking of living U.S. presidents. He’s got to climb 183 points and 12 slots to get past former President George W. Bush, who has actually improved since his debut at number 36 on the survey in 2009, and 33rd place in 2017.
Former President Bill Clinton dropped to number 19 after peaking at 14th in 2009 and edging down to 15th in 2017, while President Jimmy Carter moved up one spot to 26th.
what was trumps vote count in 2020 again.
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2021-06-30 at 4:08 PM UTCMaking
Americans
Get Covid and die
Again and again and...
Salon
American carnage: What we are now learning about Trump's nightmarish mishandling of COVID
Heather Digby Parton
There are a lot of books coming out over the next few months that chronicled the final days of the Trump administration and it's pretty clear there are a lot of stories to tell. Of course, there is also a burning desire on the part of some members of Trump's entourage to buff up their severely tarnished reputations.
Michael Wolff of "Fire and Fury" fame has a new book coming out about the post-election period called "Landslide" that sounds as though it will be as lurid and gossipy as his previous Trump book. ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl's book called "Betrayal" (which I referenced in this piece about Bill Barr on Monday) appears to take a look at the same period as another new book by Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender called "Frankly, We Did Win This Election: The Inside Story of How Trump Lost." It makes sense that there would be a number of books about the election, Trump's Big Lie and the subsequent nsurrection. The assault on democracy is the biggest political story of our time and it's still unfolding.
But I think the most serious story of the Trump administration and granted, it's hard to choose, has to be the massive, overwhelming failure to deal with the COVID pandemic that's killed over 600,000 people and counting. I still can't quite wrap my mind around that number or the fact that the leadership of the United States of America was so inept. According to yet another new book, aptly entitled "Nightmare Scenario: Inside the Trump Administration's Response to the Pandemic That Changed History," it was all actually much worse than we even thought.
The authors, Washington Post reporters Yasmeen Abutaleb and Damian Paletta, tell the coronavirus story from the perspective of the science advisers as well as the political people around Trump who were desperately trying to get him to take the problem seriously. We knew from Bob Woodward's earlier reporting that Trump had consciously made the decision to "downplay" the virus, ostensibly to keep people from panicking. Nobody really believed that, of course. It was obvious that he was "downplaying" the virus because he was afraid that the stock market would panic and that the ensuring economic turmoil would cost him the election. It seemingly never even occurred to him that mass deaths might be a bigger drag on his campaign.
The earliest unforgettable moment in the saga was the day when Trump went down to the CDC and bragged that everyone there was so impressed by his grasp of the complexities that perhaps he should have been a scientist instead of a president. And he made the comment that would guide the entire response from that point forward:
According to "Nightmare Scenario" Trump was so upset by the idea that these people would "double his numbers" that he asked his staff if there wasn't "an island we own" that we could send them to and he asked more than once about the possibility of sending them to Guantánamo. The staff finally got the idea scuttled but because they were all just as shallow and self-serving as he was, they did it not because it was grotesquely inhumane but because they were "worried about a backlash over quarantining American tourists on the same Caribbean base where the United States holds terrorism suspects." They had a point. Sending sick old people to a terrorist prison camp is pretty bad optics.
The "numbers" continued to anger Trump. He demanded that the officials who allowed the cruise passengers into the US be fired (it didn't happen) and when he said at his infamous Tulsa Oklahoma rally back in June of 2020, "when you do testing to that extent, you're gonna find more cases. So I said to my people, slow the testing down please" — he was not joking. The book quotes Trump having a tantrum over the phone to Health and Human Services Director Alex Azar, saying "Testing is killing me! I'm going to lose the election because of testing! What idiot had the federal government do testing?" (Azar replied, hilariously, "Uh, do you mean Jared?")
This response was a trainwreck in every way, mostly because of Trump's ignorance which made his decisions erratic and ineffectual, which I suspect also led to the magical thinking that had him demanding that everyone be a cheerleader and if you just tell people that everything is fine, it will be. He's quoted as saying to his team, "I am sick and tired of how negative you all are. . . . I spend half of my day responding to what Tony Fauci has to say, and I'm the president of the United States!" He told Dr. Deborah Birx, "Every time you talk, I get depressed. You have to stop that."
Perhaps the biggest revelation in this book is the fact that Trump was much, much sicker from COVID than we knew. His doctors were seriously afraid he was going to die and pushed the FDA to break all the rules to get him the experimental drugs that might save him. As we know, they did that and pumped him full of steroids and he recovered quite quickly. But in one of the more eye-rolling moments in this story, apparently, some of the advisers like CDC Director Robert Redfield, assumed his very close brush with death would automatically force him to take the COVID protocols more seriously and go out and tell people about his own experience in order to convince them to do the same. That's just laughable. It would mean he had to admit he was wrong and that's impossible. You'll recall that he defiantly ripped off his mask when he returned to the White House and then made a video telling everyone to go out and live their lives. He promised that he was going to make those experimental drugs available for free to everyone. That didn't happen, although he did arrange for his cronies Chris Christie and Ben Carson to get them.
This book reinforces the story that we already knew which is that the death toll in the U.S. from the pandemic is so high largely because the president of the United States at the time was an incompetent narcissist who was incapable of handling the crisis. So instead he said it was all bad press and poor optics and tried to happy talk his way out of it. It ended up killing people. A lot of people. Despite his desire to be seen as the man who single-handedly created the vaccines and saved the world, his followers heard him "downplay" the virus and they believed him. Now many of them are refusing to get the shots and Trump's American carnage continues to this day. -
2021-06-30 at 4:09 PM UTC
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2021-06-30 at 4:13 PM UTCThe idea that I am not the best president ever is an antisemitic lie. The internet antisemites hate me because I gave more than any other President to Israel. No one was better for Israel than I was! Say no to hate!
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2021-06-30 at 4:20 PM UTCDonald, I will concede that you are the bigliest asshole of a president ever.
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2021-06-30 at 4:21 PM UTC
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2021-06-30 at 7:19 PM UTCThree-star US General says Democrats and Chinese Communist Party conspired together and cut a deal to steal the 2020 election from Donald Trump. Can't get any more clear than that.
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2021-06-30 at 7:23 PM UTCThe same Communist Chinese who deplatformed my good friend Alex Jones from Facebook Twitter and Youtube.
