Honestly I could probably think of a more annoying duo but time has healed wounds and currently I am okay with giving the distinction to these two future property of the state skin bags of waste.
this is how different the original &Totse was compared to whatever happened a few years after I left (or kicked off)
the original &totse 2400bps (and not 2600 as someone tried to correct me which means something else in computer related)
2400bps was the name of &totse local event hookups which were probably named after Cult Dead Cow's 2600 events were called. local people from teens on up to guys in their 40s and 50s would hook up and talk nerd shit. I just got my computer, had little knowledge of coding (outside of a cs class I took in highschool BASIC and perl or fortran ) and showed up when asked to. I went to maybe 4 of them. the first time was at night and met Jeff and some guy he was with in Walnut Creek at a popular spot called 'Caf'e Italiano' now called Silk Road restaurant (lol).
I told this story a million times so wont do it again. but most kids were not as nerdy as I thought they might be. we even had a flag football game going at another event. and conversations were interesting. but most people didnt look emo or gothic (except Digital Avatar. some faggot who would just push the right buttons on me and others but mostly me and got us both kicked off) Digital Avatar and I were the first two, to be reason for the so called "Flame war" clause of removing people and for the 62 second rule (or however many seconds) where you had to wait till you could post again.
I say its Digital Avatar and I was just blamed by proxy of his victimization. but they decided it was easier to kick us both off.
No one looked like the average Zoklet style user that I can remember. the place went downhill real fast when it went to WWW version of BBS and it was also now everywhere in the world. where as before we had a few Canadian and out of state users and even Europe a couple out of NZ and Australia but once it went to WWW it became well known all over the world and it was getting as many as 1 million hits (mostly lurkers an Government) per day.
Trippy McGee was from Australia if I remember correctly and would often talk of the underground tunnels and caverns connected to sewer lines but many of them explored into natural cave regions.
Loki was an OG as well. he was mostly friendly and lived down in LA somewhere. Las Padros or some shit. maybe that was someone else.
Lostcause was a very active member. Her "Abortion Party" story and old school Burning Man at Ocean Beach that apparently people where setting off pipe bombs in the Ocean and were running from the park rangers who showed up. then something about the St Francis hotel and breaking into a Suite for the night.
Susan (or one of the Sue's on there) talking about going to work at FBI field office in San Francisco and also Zok talking about it on IRC (Dont know which office he went to work for) which made me laugh considering the type of shit Totse had on it. this is why people figured it was a honey pot plus think tank looking for bright young minds and people that could be used as patsy or some shit.
Little ToiletDuk became Big Toiletduk and I believe was at the party which Lostcause spoke of (Actually I know he was, Because Mike D told me what happen before Lostcause talked about it along with Smeagol (as in that was this users name) and Henry H and a few others like Susan, Lis, possibly Templeton. just most of the locals
Weather Underground Organization was a common theme and they were the new Penguins of WUO or some shit. and Totse Army of Destruction or Toad and how enigma said they were told never to use that term again in fun or otherwise after 9/11
Lostcause liked to brag how her Mother knew Anton Levey and he lived down the street from them and her mom being a former member of WUO. I dont know if it was in chicago or local to San Francisco. and the popular meme of Che Guevara. Hope Campaign borrowed this Iconic Totse theme. it was big in the 60s-90s I think. the Banana Republican wars even Woody Allen made a movie about the revolution. which is why I never took shit serious. just figured this was a theme of silly behavior.
Venn Doc this entire group with Totse Forever"-Harper Reed and his Hope Campaign and you get it. and he was a member arrested as a teenager (Harper) in 1992 around the time I came on board. I remember the big discussion about the kid who blew up something (hay stack) and a news reporter (Michael Liedke from Contra Costa Times) getting hammered by all the nirvananet sysops (like 6 of them) and members of totse letting the reporter know he fucked up. borderline hints of threats. Also, Ted Gunderson got involved and was watching totse and other nirvananet boards. Mainly "My Dog Bit Jesus"
fun times? totse.com and zoklet were way different however. seems they took crazy af to the next step
