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2021-04-15 at 6:18 PM UTCMake
America
Gag
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What Liz Cheney has figured out about Donald Trump and 2024
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
On Wednesday, Rep. Liz Cheney was asked a straightforward question by Fox News' Neil Cavuto: "If Donald Trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him?" And the Wyoming House Republican gave an equally straightforward answer: "I would not."
Which created an entire news cycle -- in which we are still living -- about how Cheney, the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, was one of the only elected Republican officials willing to speak out in opposition to the former President.
And how her outspokenness about Trump could cost her in 2022 as he works to primary her, which the ex-President added to with this statement released Wednesday night: "She is so far down in Wyoming polls that the only way she can win is numerous candidates running against her and splitting the vote. Hopefully, that won't happen. I'll make an Endorsement soon!"
That is all interesting! But it's also not surprising. Cheney's vote to impeach Trump over his actions (and lack thereof) on January 6 -- and the statement she issued to explain the vote -- established her as a leading establishment voice opposed to Trump's ongoing influence within the Republican Party. And Trump's desire to exact revenge on anyone who dares to criticize him is the stuff of legend.
The real storyline here isn't either of those two things, however. It's this: Why is Cheney a lone voice in the wilderness when it comes to not wanting Trump to run again and not being willing to back him if he does? If not for principled reasons, then for political ones? As in, it's hard to see how Trump could possibly win a majority of the vote in the country if he was the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.
Consider this: The worst possible situation for a politician is to be a) totally known and b) broadly disliked.
Which is exactly where Trump finds himself at this moment. Trump is universally known by voters in the country but just 34% of Americans approve of the job he did as president, according to the final Gallup poll of his presidency, which was conducted from January 4-January 15. In that same poll, just 4% of self-identified Democrats and 30% of independents said they approved of how Trump had handled the office.
Now, that poll was in the field during the darkest day of the Trump presidency -- the January 6 riot at the US Capitol. And it also captured the fallout from Trump's initial incitement of the crowd and then his slow reaction to the violence playing out once the Capitol was breached. Which means that the Gallup number likely caught Trump at his lowest possible ebb (or close to it).
But even so, it's very hard to imagine how Trump doesn't remain deeply damaged goods to the general electorate in 2024. Democrats -- even many moderate and conservative ones -- will NEVER consider voting for him because of his actions in office, all of which culminated with January 6 and its aftermath. And it's almost as hard to imagine how independents, who tend to be swayed by the mood of the country and the economy, would opt for Trump amid what is almost certain to be a boom time in the country -- economically and otherwise -- following the battle against the Covid-19 virus.
Given all of that, it seems to me that the most politically savvy course of action for Republicans -- like Cheney -- with an eye on winning back the White House in 2024 would be to support literally anyone other than Trump for the nomination.
Because of all the people mentioned -- from Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and back -- have a more solvable political problem than Trump. None of them are as well-known or as broadly disliked by the general electorate. All of them would have the chance over the next few years to introduce themselves to voters and/or change some negative perceptions that may exist about them.
Trump can't do either of those things. Views on him are cemented in voters' minds. And he has shown zero ability (or willingness) to change the way in which he carries himself in the public eye (although, at this point, I don't think if Trump suddenly turned over a new leaf as a consensus builder it would change how anyone thought of him anyway).
So, why is Cheney on an island in seeing how little Trump has of winning -- when compared to the rest of the 2024 aspirants? Well, she isn't. She's just the only one (or one of the only ones) willing to say it. Because the paradox of Trump is that while he is utterly damaged in a general election, he may well be unbeatable in a Republican presidential primary. Which is why the likes of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley ruled out running in 2024 if Trump is in the race because, well, what's the point?
Fear remains the dominant emotion when it comes to how Republican elected officials view Trump. And it's that fear that could well relegate them to a near-certain second Trump loss in 2024 unless they find some political courage between now and then.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-04-15 at 6:21 PM UTCThe Cheney family are stl1's moral heroes.
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2021-04-15 at 9:44 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-04-15 at 9:53 PM UTCI would pay $100,000 to see Trump sit naked on stl1's face.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-04-15 at 9:57 PM UTC
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2021-04-16 at 4:28 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Make
America
Gag
Again
What Liz Cheney has figured out about Donald Trump and 2024
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
On Wednesday, Rep. Liz Cheney was asked a straightforward question by Fox News' Neil Cavuto: "If Donald Trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him?" And the Wyoming House Republican gave an equally straightforward answer: "I would not."
Which created an entire news cycle – in which we are still living – about how Cheney, the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, was one of the only elected Republican officials willing to speak out in opposition to the former President.
And how her outspokenness about Trump could cost her in 2022 as he works to primary her, which the ex-President added to with this statement released Wednesday night: "She is so far down in Wyoming polls that the only way she can win is numerous candidates running against her and splitting the vote. Hopefully, that won't happen. I'll make an Endorsement soon!"
That is all interesting! But it's also not surprising. Cheney's vote to impeach Trump over his actions (and lack thereof) on January 6 – and the statement she issued to explain the vote – established her as a leading establishment voice opposed to Trump's ongoing influence within the Republican Party. And Trump's desire to exact revenge on anyone who dares to criticize him is the stuff of legend.
The real storyline here isn't either of those two things, however. It's this: Why is Cheney a lone voice in the wilderness when it comes to not wanting Trump to run again and not being willing to back him if he does? If not for principled reasons, then for political ones? As in, it's hard to see how Trump could possibly win a majority of the vote in the country if he was the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.
Consider this: The worst possible situation for a politician is to be a) totally known and b) broadly disliked.
Which is exactly where Trump finds himself at this moment. Trump is universally known by voters in the country but just 34% of Americans approve of the job he did as president, according to the final Gallup poll of his presidency, which was conducted from January 4-January 15. In that same poll, just 4% of self-identified Democrats and 30% of independents said they approved of how Trump had handled the office.
Now, that poll was in the field during the darkest day of the Trump presidency – the January 6 riot at the US Capitol. And it also captured the fallout from Trump's initial incitement of the crowd and then his slow reaction to the violence playing out once the Capitol was breached. Which means that the Gallup number likely caught Trump at his lowest possible ebb (or close to it).
But even so, it's very hard to imagine how Trump doesn't remain deeply damaged goods to the general electorate in 2024. Democrats – even many moderate and conservative ones – will NEVER consider voting for him because of his actions in office, all of which culminated with January 6 and its aftermath. And it's almost as hard to imagine how independents, who tend to be swayed by the mood of the country and the economy, would opt for Trump amid what is almost certain to be a boom time in the country – economically and otherwise – following the battle against the Covid-19 virus.
Given all of that, it seems to me that the most politically savvy course of action for Republicans – like Cheney – with an eye on winning back the White House in 2024 would be to support literally anyone other than Trump for the nomination.
Because of all the people mentioned – from Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and back – have a more solvable political problem than Trump. None of them are as well-known or as broadly disliked by the general electorate. All of them would have the chance over the next few years to introduce themselves to voters and/or change some negative perceptions that may exist about them.
Trump can't do either of those things. Views on him are cemented in voters' minds. And he has shown zero ability (or willingness) to change the way in which he carries himself in the public eye (although, at this point, I don't think if Trump suddenly turned over a new leaf as a consensus builder it would change how anyone thought of him anyway).
So, why is Cheney on an island in seeing how little Trump has of winning – when compared to the rest of the 2024 aspirants? Well, she isn't. She's just the only one (or one of the only ones) willing to say it. Because the paradox of Trump is that while he is utterly damaged in a general election, he may well be unbeatable in a Republican presidential primary. Which is why the likes of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley ruled out running in 2024 if Trump is in the race because, well, what's the point?
Fear remains the dominant emotion when it comes to how Republican elected officials view Trump. And it's that fear that could well relegate them to a near-certain second Trump loss in 2024 unless they find some political courage between now and then. -
2021-04-16 at 4:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Make
America
Gag
Again
What Liz Cheney has figured out about Donald Trump and 2024
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
On Wednesday, Rep. Liz Cheney was asked a straightforward question by Fox News' Neil Cavuto: "If Donald Trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him?" And the Wyoming House Republican gave an equally straightforward answer: "I would not."
Which created an entire news cycle – in which we are still living – about how Cheney, the third-ranking Republican in House leadership, was one of the only elected Republican officials willing to speak out in opposition to the former President.
And how her outspokenness about Trump could cost her in 2022 as he works to primary her, which the ex-President added to with this statement released Wednesday night: "She is so far down in Wyoming polls that the only way she can win is numerous candidates running against her and splitting the vote. Hopefully, that won't happen. I'll make an Endorsement soon!"
That is all interesting! But it's also not surprising. Cheney's vote to impeach Trump over his actions (and lack thereof) on January 6 – and the statement she issued to explain the vote – established her as a leading establishment voice opposed to Trump's ongoing influence within the Republican Party. And Trump's desire to exact revenge on anyone who dares to criticize him is the stuff of legend.
The real storyline here isn't either of those two things, however. It's this: Why is Cheney a lone voice in the wilderness when it comes to not wanting Trump to run again and not being willing to back him if he does? If not for principled reasons, then for political ones? As in, it's hard to see how Trump could possibly win a majority of the vote in the country if he was the Republican presidential nominee in 2024.
Consider this: The worst possible situation for a politician is to be a) totally known and b) broadly disliked.
Which is exactly where Trump finds himself at this moment. Trump is universally known by voters in the country but just 34% of Americans approve of the job he did as president, according to the final Gallup poll of his presidency, which was conducted from January 4-January 15. In that same poll, just 4% of self-identified Democrats and 30% of independents said they approved of how Trump had handled the office.
Now, that poll was in the field during the darkest day of the Trump presidency – the January 6 riot at the US Capitol. And it also captured the fallout from Trump's initial incitement of the crowd and then his slow reaction to the violence playing out once the Capitol was breached. Which means that the Gallup number likely caught Trump at his lowest possible ebb (or close to it).
But even so, it's very hard to imagine how Trump doesn't remain deeply damaged goods to the general electorate in 2024. Democrats – even many moderate and conservative ones – will NEVER consider voting for him because of his actions in office, all of which culminated with January 6 and its aftermath. And it's almost as hard to imagine how independents, who tend to be swayed by the mood of the country and the economy, would opt for Trump amid what is almost certain to be a boom time in the country – economically and otherwise – following the battle against the Covid-19 virus.
Given all of that, it seems to me that the most politically savvy course of action for Republicans – like Cheney – with an eye on winning back the White House in 2024 would be to support literally anyone other than Trump for the nomination.
Because of all the people mentioned – from Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan and back – have a more solvable political problem than Trump. None of them are as well-known or as broadly disliked by the general electorate. All of them would have the chance over the next few years to introduce themselves to voters and/or change some negative perceptions that may exist about them.
Trump can't do either of those things. Views on him are cemented in voters' minds. And he has shown zero ability (or willingness) to change the way in which he carries himself in the public eye (although, at this point, I don't think if Trump suddenly turned over a new leaf as a consensus builder it would change how anyone thought of him anyway).
So, why is Cheney on an island in seeing how little Trump has of winning – when compared to the rest of the 2024 aspirants? Well, she isn't. She's just the only one (or one of the only ones) willing to say it. Because the paradox of Trump is that while he is utterly damaged in a general election, he may well be unbeatable in a Republican presidential primary. Which is why the likes of former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley ruled out running in 2024 if Trump is in the race because, well, what's the point?
Fear remains the dominant emotion when it comes to how Republican elected officials view Trump. And it's that fear that could well relegate them to a near-certain second Trump loss in 2024 unless they find some political courage between now and then.
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2021-04-16 at 12:09 PM UTCcant keep trump down,, the nigger is unstoppable
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2021-04-17 at 4:52 AM UTCThe Wall Street Journal.
Oath Keeper Becomes First to Plead Guilty in Capitol Riot
Aruna Viswanatha
WASHINGTON—A member of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia pleaded guilty to federal charges connected to the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, becoming the first among the more than 400 people facing such charges to formally admit to wrongdoing.
Jon Schaffer, 52 years old, a guitarist in the heavy-metal band Iced Earth, pleaded guilty Friday to two counts of obstructing an official proceeding and remaining in a restricted building with a dangerous weapon, and agreed to cooperate in the continuing investigation into the riot. He entered the plea via videoconference before a federal judge in Washington, acknowledging that he entered the Capitol armed with bear spray and worked to stop lawmakers’ certification of President Biden’s Electoral College win over former President Donald Trump.
The first plea, 100 days after the attack, comes as some 410 members of the pro-Trump mob have been arrested across the country on charges including assaulting officers, obstructing Congress and conspiracy. Many cases remain in the early stages as prosecutors and defense lawyers spar over whether some should be imprisoned while awaiting trial, as Mr. Schaffer and several dozen others have been. Investigators have scoured through hundreds of thousands of videos and photos to identify rioters, including 200,000 digital-media tips people have submitted to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Mr. Schaffer, of Columbus, Ind., faces up to 20 years in prison based on the obstruction charge. Prosecutors estimated that the guidelines would recommend a sentence of between three and four years but said they could ask for a more lenient sentence depending on the extent of his cooperation. The agreement requires him to provide testimony and witness interviews, and to accommodate any other requests from law enforcement. Under the plea deal, Mr. Schaffer could also ask to enter the witness-protection program.
Mr. Schaffer was among the first to be arrested in the days after the riot. He was photographed wearing a tactical vest and baseball cap at the riot bearing the words “Oath Keepers Lifetime Member.”
Other alleged members of the Oath Keepers group, which authorities described as a loosely organized anti-federal-government militia that recruits former military and law-enforcement personnel, face some of the most serious conspiracy charges filed related to the riot.
Mr. Schaffer wasn’t charged with conspiracy. The affidavit for his initial arrest alleged that he used bear spray on police officers at the riot. According to the affidavit, Mr. Schaffer had long held extremist views, describing himself in 2017 as an anarchist and referring to the federal government as a criminal enterprise. According to the affidavit, in a press interview at a pro-Trump march last year, he said: “We’re not going to merge into some globalist, communist system, it will not happen. There will be a lot of bloodshed if it comes down to that, trust me.”
According to a statement of facts filed in connection with his plea, Mr. Schaffer admitted that around 2:40 p.m. on Jan. 6, he positioned himself at the front of a large mob that broke open doors to the Capitol guarded by four police officers in riot gear. Mr. Schaffer was “among the first six individuals” to push past the officers, forcing them to retreat, the statement said. Mr. Schaffer “admits that his belief that the Electoral College results were fraudulent is not a legal justification for unlawfully entering the Capitol building and using intimidation to influence, stop, or delay the Congressional proceeding,” it said.
U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta said he would allow Mr. Schaffer to be released while he awaits sentencing, agreeing to a request from prosecutors that the process be delayed while he cooperates.
A lawyer for Mr. Schaffer said in court that Mr. Schaffer reached out to law enforcement once he knew he was wanted, describing him as the first to plead guilty in a historic investigation. -
2021-04-17 at 8:10 AM UTCDoes seeing individuals being made suffer bring you joy stl1?
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2021-04-17 at 11:30 AM UTCI'm glad I was smart enough NOT to join an organization before the election,, I was tempted but as I started looking into them I realized No organization was free of radicals wanting to go to far.
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2021-04-17 at 11:37 AM UTC
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2021-04-17 at 11:44 AM UTCthats above my pay grade
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2021-04-17 at 12 PM UTC
Originally posted by Donald Trump You mean FBI agents.
On the one hand this is true, but on the other hand this is also the ultimate psy op. Like... does the FBI/ATF/DEA monitor these groups and sometimes play a part in encouraging behavior that is actionable? Yeah. Probably. Definitely. Sure. But they aren't all knowing or all powerful. The number of would-be radicals I've seen dissuaded from taking any kind of substantial action is depressing. The invisible hand of the mythical ever-present glowie weighs heavily on their shoulders and they cannot move
It's also the ultimate copout for loud cowards who like to act tough on the internet. "It's time to fucking kill those corrupt politicians" they say, and when you reply "you won't do it pussy" they pull some shit like "you'd like it if I did wouldn't you, glownigger". smhThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-04-17 at 12:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai On the one hand this is true, but on the other hand this is also the ultimate psy op. Like… does the FBI/ATF/DEA monitor these groups and sometimes play a part in encouraging behavior that is actionable? Yeah. Probably. Definitely. Sure. But they aren't all knowing or all powerful. The number of would-be radicals I've seen dissuaded from taking any kind of substantial action is depressing. The invisible hand of the mythical ever-present glowie weighs heavily on their shoulders and they cannot move
It's also the ultimate copout for loud cowards who like to act tough on the internet. "It's time to fucking kill those corrupt politicians" they say, and when you reply "you won't do it pussy" they pull some shit like "you'd like it if I did wouldn't you, glownigger". smh
Imagine acting tough on the internet, and turning out to be a complete pussy and abandoning your friends when things start getting real.
I would never do that. -
2021-04-17 at 12:24 PM UTC
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2021-04-17 at 1:28 PM UTC
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2021-04-17 at 1:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by POLECAT I'm glad I was smart enough NOT to join an organization before the election,, I was tempted but as I started looking into them I realized No organization was free of radicals wanting to go to far.
Methinks thou dost protest too much, Skunk.
The FBI told me they're going to be needing proof of your exact whereabouts on Jan, 6, 2021 and will be in official contact soon.
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2021-04-17 at 1:51 PM UTCthey know where I was,, they knew where you were also
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2021-04-17 at 1:52 PM UTCBased on what I have heard I would not be surprised if stl1 is in contact with the Feds.
If he starts offering you us trucks driving jobs and weapon modifications, you will know for sure.
