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Race is a social construct
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2021-03-16 at 1:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bradley I believe in Race.
I believe in I am a White man. Much like how that Supreme Court Justice describing pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"
If you are 1 race that visually appears one way and you've been raised by your people of similar visage, you will have a good understanding.
Whether it's a social construct left from bygoone stratification accross the world with varying melananin is an opinnion at best.
My skull, hair, DNA and soul are entirely distinct from a non white person. It does not make them less of a person (Except negro) to not be like the Caucuazoid Homosapian but you're trying so hard to be multicultural that you fail to accept glaring facts that are contrary to your own world view and what you want to beliebe.
Also the jedis are a distinct race that is entirely seperate from the rest of humanity and much more akin to that of a viper or asp family.
This really isn't true at all. There's no objective scientific race. We're all mixes of the same pallette.
Therefore, race is a social construct. Ancestry agencies that do DNA testing know this. -
2021-03-16 at 2:08 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 2:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by FreeAssange Ha! That would be American cops wondering that. Or what kind of illegal drugs were being exchanged.
Everybody was bicycling, but there were lots of packed buses and tons of these fume-spewing beat-up taxi-vans called mi dian or something like that and all the Party leaders had private cars, so there was traffic. All the men smoked on all the mi dian including the driver then, one day about a year after I had arrived, there was an article in the China Daily that said to quit smoking cigarettes as it was bad for the health care system and to my great surprise the next time I got on a mi dian, no one smoked and no one ever did again that I saw. I thought to myself, wow. Now there's a difference. The whole country quit smoking in one day. (people – men– still smoked privately)
One night, I was on a mi dian with a couple of my students headed back to the university and the van halfway there just ran out of gas. The driver doesn't say a word, just grabs a gas can and disappears into the darkness. Everybody sits there for a long time, the men smoking in silence. Finally, the driver returns and gets in the van, cigarette dangling from his lips. He steps behind the driver seat and told the people there to move, raises up the top of the bench, unscrews the gas cap, which was literally inside the van, and, cigarette still dangling from his lips, begins to pour the gas into the tank. So I expressed surprise to one of my students who turned and translated it to the driver who made a dismissive grunt, took the cigarette out of his lips and stuck the lit end inside the tank. I still don't know what to make of that. Is their gas less combustible? Are we hyper paranoid?
^ china fantasy.
and no, smouldering ciggarettes flames arent hot enough to ignite gasolines. theres a thing they call flash point. -
2021-03-16 at 2:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Antifa Member This really isn't true at all. There's no objective scientific race. We're all mixes of the same pallette.
Therefore, race is a social construct. Ancestry agencies that do DNA testing know this.
What do you think about fish sub speciies that while "Similar" of the same family, they are different races. Let's see if i can find a good example.
Salmon & Trout
They have different races with different fat content (Similar tot he negro having more short twitch muslce fibers and less fat over their muscles) to appearance from coloration to whether or not they can breath and survive in salt water versus freshwater.
While both are salmons, the chinook and the Coho are two different just as the Asiatic people are distinct from an Englishman but they are both men, just different species.
And much like an 80 pound year old Thai girl and a 200lb White man, these fish will also co breed and ccreate mud races.
This is my argument and opinion based on what i believe to the best of my understanding.
White power. -
2021-03-16 at 2:24 PM UTCforgot photo
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2021-03-16 at 2:27 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 2:51 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bradley What do you think about fish sub speciies that while "Similar" of the same family, they are different races. Let's see if i can find a good example.
Salmon & Trout
They have different races with different fat content (Similar tot he negro having more short twitch muslce fibers and less fat over their muscles) to appearance from coloration to whether or not they can breath and survive in salt water versus freshwater.
While both are salmons, the chinook and the Coho are two different just as the Asiatic people are distinct from an Englishman but they are both men, just different species.
And much like an 80 pound year old Thai girl and a 200lb White man, these fish will also co breed and ccreate mud races.
This is my argument and opinion based on what i believe to the best of my understanding.
White power.
I would say you have a fundamental taxological misunderstanding.
A more apt comparison would be a pink salmon and a slightly pinker salmon from the same river. Trout and Salmon are two entirely different species. Family means nothing. Tomatoes and datura are related. Coffee and krato-M. Taxological family doesn't mean shit. Below that you have genus, then species, then breed (if applicable) then subspecies which is really as low as it goes without discussing common morphological variants (which is what human 'races' are).
Humans have been migrating and fucking each other for so long that it doesn't really matter. We migrated out of Africa 1.8 million years ago and spent the rest of the time since migrating back into Africa, to Asia, circling around Europe, crossing seas, etc. This is how you have white Syrians and Asian looking Russians with ancestry going back thousands of years.
Subspecies usually form because of geographic isolation, over a period of millions of years. Humans have never ever been isolated like that. Our adaptability is our greatest strength, as is our ability to fuck people from other lands and cultures. -
2021-03-16 at 3:04 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bradley I believe in Race.
I believe in I am a White man. Much like how that Supreme Court Justice describing pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"
Race is just a very large, very extended family. We can't precisely define family, either. When you say "my family, do you mean siblings, parents, children? Grandparents? Grandchildren? Uncles? Uncles' wives? Cousins? Second cousins? Who is in your family? The "family is just a social construct" zealots--vipers and asps to a man--are pulling a verbal sleight of hand on us.
In truth, the word is flexible. When I say I want to spend more time with the family, the meaning of the word "family" is different from when I say I'm going to the family reunion this summer.
Whoever it was that taught us "racism" is evil has left us defenseless. Who would do that? -
2021-03-16 at 3:05 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Joseph R. Biden Jr, 46th President of the United States of America I never said you did, I said you associated the properties of a specific subset of around 5 million people, to the superset of around 1.5 billion people who have literally no connection to that attribute, by appealing to some poorly defined third property that you're trying to validate in the first place by appealing to the property "average running speed". This is circular logic.
Where is the contradiction? Race is a social construct and Kalenjins on average run faster than Non-Kalenjins. Non-Kalenjins can be any skin colour, including black. Kalenjin Kenyans run faster than non-Kalenjin Kenyans. Does that mean Kalenjin are a different race than other human? Answer the question.
Yes
I don't know if your brain broke and you just started rapid fire babbling retarded bullshit or what, I'm not going to explain how genes work again to you.
This whole discussion is about semantics. Again, at least learn to google the words you plan to use.
It has nothing to do with "sub races", I asked you that if the criteria that proves a racial differencs is average running speed or not. If so, would an Italian guy from New Jersey with a really fast foot speed be characterized as the same race or "sub race" as Kalenjin?
Would you just categorize different populations by footspeed, or for some weird reason appeal to a poorly defined third racial concept?
If you were trying to understand anything, you would just read what I already wrote all the way through without flying into an assburgers rage part of the way through, because I'm literally just having to repeat myself to you.
I said I acknowledge biological differences between genetic populations. These do not map onto the concept of "race" in any way that validates categorizations like "White", "jedi", "Asian" or "Black" as meaningful biological concepts. Those are socially constructed categories that don't map well to any biological concept.
Nah it's a whole different race.
then what exactly do you mean by saying race is a social construct?
i already answered your question, yes, the kalenjin are another race, perhaps a subrace. now what? i never said all black people are the same.If so, would an Italian guy from New Jersey with a really fast foot speed be characterized as the same race or "sub race" as Kalenjin?
this is the problem, you use vague terminology so you can later play with words and claim you meant something else. is the new jersey guy from your example an italian-speaking kalenjin born in new jersey? if not, then no he wouldnt be a kalenjin just because he runs fast but i doubt he would be running AS FAST as one anyway. i would imagine thats not the only trait that makes kalenjin different than other races anyway.
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2021-03-16 at 3:06 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 4:57 PM UTCdidnt read any of those posts.
Anyone interesting want to post?
Bradley?? -
2021-03-16 at 5:06 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 5:10 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 5:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev then what exactly do you mean by saying race is a social construct?
Categories such as "black, white, Asian, Jew" etc were constructed by society for the sake of social convenience and don't map onto any well defined aspect of nature itself, like money.i already answered your question, yes, the kalenjin are another race, perhaps a subrace. now what? i never said all black people are the same.
No not "sub race", race. Then you would agree that populations with similar average foot speeds are one race, right?this is the problem, you use vague terminology so you can later play with words and claim you meant something else. is the new jersey guy from your example an italian-speaking kalenjin born in new jersey? if not, then no he wouldnt be a kalenjin just because he runs fast but i doubt he would be running AS FAST as one anyway. i would imagine thats not the only trait that makes kalenjin different than other races anyway.
No, he is just some typical looking Italian American but he's got long legs and runs really fast, comparable to a Kalenjin Keynan.
By the trait we have just identified, running speed, you must classify him under the same category as the fast running Kalenjins. Because that is the criteria for the classification.
If not, you are appealing to some third "racial" property and not to the running speed at all, which was what you're trying to use to establish that property (of race) in the first place. It is circular logic.
We actually do have a categorization that can easily resolve this problem. It's called genetics. If he somehow has the same gene strongly associated with footspeed that Kalenjin do (maybe one of his grandmothers 40 times removed fucked a negro in the south of Italy and just by chance it pervaded through his otherwise entirely Italian ancestry), then you can rightfully connect the part of his lineage responsible for that to the same one as Kalenjins. If not and he is just fast due to some other lucky genetic or developmental factor, there's no connection. And that's pretty straightforward, as opposed to doing these weird mental gymnastics that become necessary to attempt an accurate description of human variation.each region has humans of a certain kind of DNA which makes them have different traits. do you dispute any part of this?
Do humans from the region now known as Ukraine possess the same kind of DNA as humans from the region now known as Italy? -
2021-03-16 at 6:01 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 6:50 PM UTC
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2021-03-16 at 7:11 PM UTC
Originally posted by Joseph R. Biden Jr, 46th President* of the United States of America Categories such as "black, white, Asian, Jew" etc were constructed by society for the sake of social convenience and don't map onto any well defined aspect of nature itself, like money.
So what? Categories like uptown, downtown, inner city, waterfront and so on also don't map onto any well-defined aspect of a city, but we know what they mean, and if I say I live downtown, but I really live in the suburbs, I'll get called out on it and it won't mean anything if I say neighborhood labels are just a social construct. I'm still going to be called a liar, and if I say there's no such thing as "neighborhood" because we can't articulate a precise definition of downtown and draw indisputable lines marking where it starts and stops, people are going to wonder what the fuck I'm blathering on about.
Which is exactly what I wonder about the "race is a social construct" zealots. What exactly is the point? None of y'all actually believe that. Take any prof standing in front of his classroom yammering away about race and social constructs then suddenly burst through the door, put a gun to his head, and tell him he's got three seconds to tell you how many black students are in his class and he will say "nine" immediately and be 100 percent right.
And, in fact, when the BLaMistas are out there protesting against white cops on behalf of black males, the races involved are real as shit ever gets. No one ever tells some yass queen ranting about black bodies she should pipe down because race is just a social construct. The only time 'race is a social construct' is ever thrown up seriously is to white people. For white people race is a social construct. In fact, I hear now that there really isn't even a "white race", per our old friends at the New York Times. Just lay down white boy and accept your socially constructed extinction. -
2021-03-16 at 7:31 PM UTC
Originally posted by Joseph R. Biden Jr, 46th President* of the United States of America Shut the fuck up idiot.
Haha, looks like you're the one who shut up, huh?
Argument is a great way to learn. Even just arguing with ourselves is a great way to tease out insights. But you argue to win, which is the sign of a mediocre intellect. Too bad you won't read this. You may actually learn something. -
2021-03-16 at 7:35 PM UTC
