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why do some people not eat meat?
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2015-09-16 at 5:31 AM UTCI've heard that its because they don't want to eat something that was once living. Yet get multiple abortions...
they say animals are people too. aren't plants people too?
i once saw a venus fly trap eat a fly... -
2015-09-16 at 5:51 AM UTCSupposedly some people may develop a red meat allergy from tick bites.
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2015-09-16 at 5:52 AM UTCApparently they actually think that protein is not important. Stupid fucks.
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2015-09-16 at 6:02 AM UTC
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2015-09-16 at 7:02 AM UTCThere's a lot of reasons people abstain from meat. There are health reasons: some have difficulty getting it from point A to point B because of horrible GI diseases, some people have a family history of high cholesterol, obesity, heart disease, etc. Even people who are in good health could often better health with a balanced, plant-based diet. The other reasons (though there is much overlap) are typically ethical in nature.
Factory farming is a lot like the Holocaust. I know, you'll say I'm nuts. They aren't people, right? That's what they said about jedis. Infrastructure blinds you to the nature of your crime, it doesn't absolve you. If an alien force of hyperintelligent bovines captured the USA tomorrow you'd be brought to justice, going down in the books on the wrong side of history. McGraw-Hill would have a textbook about Earth with a chapter on genocide, one page about Hitler and Nazi Germany and the next about you and your dinner table. -
2015-09-16 at 7:25 AM UTC
I've heard that its because they don't want to eat something that was once living. Yet get multiple abortions…
Obviously not every ethical vegetarian gets multiple abortions, it seems like most never have any abortions at all. You can still make an argument that the two can be reconciled though. For example, Singer argues that eating fish is not inherently wrong (it may be OK if the fish is slaughtered humanely) because most fish have no notion of themselves in the future, they don't seem to loose anything when they stop existing since they have no longterm plans/interests that can be stymied. You might say the same thing about fetuses. I'm not sure I really buy this argument in either form but I don't think it's _obviously_ the case that the two positions (pro-abortion, anti-meat) are irreconcilable. And wether you accept such arguments or not has exactly nothing to do with the tenability of ethical vegetarianism, it simply means some ethical vegetarians may or may not be behaving unethically in an unrelated way.they say animals are people too. aren't plants people too?
I don't think many people will argue that every animal farmed for meat is a full moral person, I certainly wouldn't, but that doesn't mean we don't have obligation to them or that they don't have rights. Infants do not have full moral personage in the sense that we don't assign them the total range of ethical duties (if an infant starts a fire we don't charge them with arson or neglect or what have you) but we do obviously have an obligation to not kill infants for amusement or meat.
As for plants having the same moral status as mammals like cows, it depends on what you think grants moral considerability. For me it's mammals' ability suffer or feel pleasure. It may not be as developed of a hedonic apparatus as we find in humans but it's obvious that it's of a kind. We don't seem to have any evidence of an analogous capacity in plants, they simply don't seem to have mental states and thus don't suffer or feel pleasure. Thus we don't have a duty to minimize their suffering and can create and destroy them at our leisure, just as we create and destroy non-living objects like rocks or electronics or whatever as it suits human interests. -
2015-09-16 at 7:32 AM UTCSevere mental illness.
No, really, they actually do tend to have significantly higher rate. Just look at Lanny, a prime example of the kind of person whose natural predispositions lead them down that perverted path.
Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.
And many more: http://www.google.com/search?q=veget...mental+illness
Just watch them engage in blatant denialism, attempting one of the most simplistic arguments of all, that correlation does not imply causation, when confounding factors have already been accounted for.
Of course you shouldn't rely on anecdotes, but those of you who don't suffer from in-group bias, or a bias against them, and attempt to see things as objectively as possible can think of vegetarians/vegans you have known IRL and will likely notice that they tend to be far more mentally unstable and overall less mentally healthy. As a group, they often contain some of the sickest people around, particularly those that are activists, engage in protests, and especially the militant. Feminists are very similar, along with those who strongly identify as leftists. Geographically, look at places that have the highest concentrations of these kinds of people, San Franfreakshow is absolutely full of nutjobs, one of the most dysfunctional and deranged places on Earth.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2015-09-16 at 12:16 PM UTC
Severe mental illness.
No, really, they actually do tend to have significantly higher rate. Just look at Lanny, a prime example of the kind of person whose natural predispositions lead them down that perverted path.
Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/
And many more: http://www.google.com/search?q=veget...mental+illness
Just watch them engage in blatant denialism, attempting one of the most simplistic arguments of all, that correlation does not imply causation, when confounding factors have already been accounted for.
Of course you shouldn't rely on anecdotes, but those of you who don't suffer from in-group bias, or a bias against them, and attempt to see things as objectively as possible can think of vegetarians/vegans you have known IRL and will likely notice that they tend to be far more mentally unstable and overall less mentally healthy. As a group, they often contain some of the sickest people around, particularly those that are activists, engage in protests, and especially the militant. Feminists are very similar, along with those who strongly identify as leftists. Geographically, look at places that have the highest concentrations of these kinds of people, San Franfreakshow is absolutely full of nutjobs, one of the most dysfunctional and deranged places on Earth.
Mental health? You of all people are questioning others mental health simply based on diet? -
2015-09-16 at 12:41 PM UTC
Severe mental illness.
No, really, they actually do tend to have significantly higher rate. Just look at Lanny, a prime example of the kind of person whose natural predispositions lead them down that perverted path.
Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/
And many more: http://www.google.com/search?q=veget...mental+illness
Just watch them engage in blatant denialism, attempting one of the most simplistic arguments of all, that correlation does not imply causation, when confounding factors have already been accounted for.
Of course you shouldn't rely on anecdotes, but those of you who don't suffer from in-group bias, or a bias against them, and attempt to see things as objectively as possible can think of vegetarians/vegans you have known IRL and will likely notice that they tend to be far more mentally unstable and overall less mentally healthy. As a group, they often contain some of the sickest people around, particularly those that are activists, engage in protests, and especially the militant. Feminists are very similar, along with those who strongly identify as leftists. Geographically, look at places that have the highest concentrations of these kinds of people, San Franfreakshow is absolutely full of nutjobs, one of the most dysfunctional and deranged places on Earth.
So do drug users, and a lot of other demographics I bet you belong to.
Also, I hate being the douche that says this, but I have to because your post warrants it: correlation does not equal causation. -
2015-09-16 at 1:24 PM UTCYou can't argue against science.
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2015-09-16 at 1:26 PM UTCYou can't argue against philosophy by using science.
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2015-09-16 at 1:32 PM UTC
You can't argue against science.
lol, you misinterpreting data is not science.
actually, this is something ive been seeing a lot of lately. some scientists do some research on something, then internet bloggers come along and interpret that research in ways it should have never been interpreted because theyre uneducated dumb fucks that dont know the first thing about what theyre writing about, then a bunch of equally dumb fucks go on to read the blogs and then assume that "science" is lying/wrong/racist/whatever. science is just experimental testing of a hypothesis. it doesnt have an opinion, it just observes reality. -
2015-09-16 at 2:41 PM UTCReread my post:
Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.
The mentally ill clearly seem to be more susceptible to vegetarianism. This shouldn't be surprising as the mentally ill are more susceptible to being brainwashed into becoming parts of cults in general, in this case the cult of vegetarianism, and particularly veganism. -
2015-09-16 at 5:05 PM UTC
Severe mental illness.
No, really, they actually do tend to have significantly higher rate. Just look at Lanny, a prime example of the kind of person whose natural predispositions lead them down that perverted path.
Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/
And many more: http://www.google.com/search?q=veget...mental+illness
Just watch them engage in blatant denialism, attempting one of the most simplistic arguments of all, that correlation does not imply causation, when confounding factors have already been accounted for.
Of course you shouldn't rely on anecdotes, but those of you who don't suffer from in-group bias, or a bias against them, and attempt to see things as objectively as possible can think of vegetarians/vegans you have known IRL and will likely notice that they tend to be far more mentally unstable and overall less mentally healthy. As a group, they often contain some of the sickest people around, particularly those that are activists, engage in protests, and especially the militant. Feminists are very similar, along with those who strongly identify as leftists. Geographically, look at places that have the highest concentrations of these kinds of people, San Franfreakshow is absolutely full of nutjobs, one of the most dysfunctional and deranged places on Earth.
I have noticed almost every vegan I meat is on anti depressants or smokes marijauana daily.
I have a friend that wont eat at mexican food places because of the lard they put in the beans. but if a group of people want to go eat out together at a similar place, she will do it and throw her morals out just to fit in. She's constantly sick and not exactly thin... considering shes a vegetarian.
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2015-09-16 at 5:27 PM UTCYou douche bags bitching about factory farming have no idea of the horrors that would befall us if we were the prey for a species capable of farming us. So it's ok for them but not us, huh?
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2015-09-16 at 5:41 PM UTCTerrible argument. You assume they would do worse so it's okay for us to do it? You could justify nearly anything with that logic.
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2015-09-16 at 7:18 PM UTC^^^^oh aurthor treacher just got told by a lesbo!
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2015-09-16 at 11:01 PM UTC
Terrible argument. You assume they would do worse so it's okay for us to do it? You could justify nearly anything with that logic.
Yes, this is what I assume. And I do justify almost everything with this logic. -
2015-09-17 at 2:34 AM UTC
Yes, this is what I assume. And I do justify almost everything with this logic.
I dont justify anything I do, I just do it. -
2015-09-17 at 2:53 AM UTCMost vegans I know don't have a clue about nutrition. Keep eating your massive plates of pasta and potatoes, keep wondering why you're a very nearly a planet for eating like shit for the past 5 years. They never listen either.
