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2021-01-22 at 9:41 AM UTC
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2021-01-22 at 10:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The basis for that 'leverage' has been so thoroughly discredited it's not even worth talking about. Trump ordered far more sanctions on Russia than any other US president. Ever.
I've seen you make this claim multiple times but feel like you're overlooking some facts.
Immediately after taking office Trump tried to lift Obama-era sanctions and return diplomatic compounds seized by the US. Months later Congress drew up a bill to strengthen sanctions and prevent Trump from lifting them. The Trump administration lobbied hard against it, but the legislation passed with a veto proof majority. So Trump bitched about it and signaled that enforcement would be lax.
His administration delayed implementation and missed key deadlines, only following through after intervention from congressional leaders.
In 18 the Treasury Department, backed by national security adviser HR McMaster, implemented sanctions on Oleg Deripaska and his aluminum company Rusal. Stocks immediately fell 50%. Trump then defanged the sanctions and expunged Rusal from the sanctions list, also cutting a deal with Deripaska allowing him to keep control of his companies through his allies.
The administration also drug its feet imposing consequences for the nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter. It delayed chemical weapons sanctions required by law, only proceeding after demands by Congress.
Before the 18 midterms, congress was coming up with legislation to prevent future election interference. Trump cut it off by preemptively signing an executive order mimicking the language but not requiring automatic sanctions on Russian banks and energy companies.
Congress is the reason for most of the sanctions/ attempts at sanctioning Russia, while Trump has actively tried to undermine them from day 1.
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2021-01-22 at 10:45 AM UTCWhy do the Russians keep trying to use Novichok?
You'd think they'd have figured out it doesn't work by now.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 11:33 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Immediately after taking office Trump tried to lift Obama-era sanctions and return diplomatic compounds seized by the US. Months later Congress drew up a bill to strengthen sanctions and prevent Trump from lifting them. The Trump administration lobbied hard against it, but the legislation passed with a veto proof majority. So Trump bitched about it and signaled that enforcement would be lax.
Yes, he tried to normalise relations after insane and hypocritical actions - this is not a negative thing, nor does it prove that he was 'pro-Russian'. In this circumstance he was 'pro-sanity'. The seizure of diplomatic compounds was completely unprecedented, going completely against the 'rules-based international order' they always talk about. To make things worse, the sanctions were placed on Russia for taking back the Crimea (which has existed as a part of Russia far longer than the Ukraine has existed as a state and was only granted to them by Kruschev's drunken idiocy) after the US orchestrated a coup in the Ukraine largely for the express purpose of taking the Crimean naval base for themselves. He was trying to repair the damage that the previous administration had done not only to relations with Russia, but to the US' standing in terms of international law.
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 In 18 the Treasury Department, backed by national security adviser HR McMaster, implemented sanctions on Oleg Deripaska and his aluminum company Rusal. Stocks immediately fell 50%. Trump then defanged the sanctions and expunged Rusal from the sanctions list, also cutting a deal with Deripaska allowing him to keep control of his companies through his allies.
I assume you've just copypasted this one so I'm not going to read into it
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 The administration also drug its feet imposing consequences for the nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter. It delayed chemical weapons sanctions required by law, only proceeding after demands by Congress.
There was never any evidence provided. The entire farce was ridiculous on its face -
1. If you're affected by a nerve agent, your lungs become unable to absorb oxygen and you die inside a minute. You don't get a headache and pass out on a bench. They literally shut down muscle function. Go watch some videos of people and animals exposed.
2. Sergei Skripal defected from the Soviet Union, wrote a book about their chemical weapons programs, came back and served time in prison for treason. He'd already published what he knew and never worked for Russia after that. There is absolutely no reason they had to kill him, and even if they did it wouldn't be with a fucking chemical weapon. Actual state assassinations are disguised, the only people who think 'Putin wanted to send a message' or some shit are retarded from watching too much American TV.
3. To this day neither Sergei or his niece has been allowed by MI whatever to talk about what happened.
4. There's a lot of dispute I won't go into regarding the chemical itself.
Nobody should've taken that retarded circus seriously, but here we are with every headline containing "strongly believe" or some variant.
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Before the 18 midterms, congress was coming up with legislation to prevent future election interference. Trump cut it off by preemptively signing an executive order mimicking the language but not requiring automatic sanctions on Russian banks and energy companies.
Why do you think Russian banks and energy companies should be pre-emptively sanctioned?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 11:54 AM UTCBro I just put out some factual information that blew the whole "Trump was hard on Russia" narrative all to hell and you immediately go into reasons why you agree with him for not being hard on them.
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2021-01-22 at 11:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by larrylegend8383 Bro I just put out some factual information that blew the whole "Trump was hard on Russia" narrative all to hell and you immediately go into reasons why you agree with him for not being hard on them.
Lol you're good bud. I'm obviously wrong.
simply put - there were good reasons not to be 'hard' on them in those cases.
and he still managed to put more sanctions in place than any previous president, largely forced to, thanks to the ridiculous witchhunt based on the unverified ramblings of a drunk who hadn't even been to Russia in years.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 11:58 AM UTCRussia hacked the election for me.
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2021-01-22 at 12:08 PM UTCWhats the name of the Russian facility which is wired for sound and can listen to almost anywhere in thr continental US? I think it's in Virginia or Pennsylvania. Anyways, Obama kicked them out and Trump lobbied hard to get Russians brought back in because he's stupid. I'm a proponent of normalizing ties with Russia but Trump was such a shitty deal maker and clueless about diplomacy that he never got anything back.
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2021-01-22 at 12:12 PM UTC
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2021-01-22 at 1:02 PM UTC
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2021-01-22 at 1:21 PM UTCIt's called pioneer point and Trump gave it back to Russia for NOTHING because he sucks at making deals and was a shitty president
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2021-01-22 at 2:01 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/533988/
It was in Maryland
that doesn't say anything about it
I mean, most serious state-level sigint is attacks against satellites that can be done from anywhere -
2021-01-22 at 2:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo It's called pioneer point and Trump gave it back to Russia for NOTHING because he sucks at making deals and was a shitty president
Would you have it that he stole the property from Russia?
Because of the false allegation that they "hacked" the election and made him President?
So thereby approving of challenges to his own legitimacy?
Maybe you should watch less TV.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 2:10 PM UTClike those people who ripped on Obongo for 'giving Iran millions of dollars', either not understanding or not caring that it was money that was seized (see: stolen) from Iran in the first placeThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2021-01-22 at 6 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra that doesn't say anything about it
I mean, most serious state-level sigint is attacks against satellites that can be done from anywhere
since the existence of this diplomatic compound is news to you it would be wise to learn about it
Originally posted by Donald Trump Would you have it that he stole the property from Russia?
Because of the false allegation that they "hacked" the election and made him President?
So thereby approving of challenges to his own legitimacy?
Maybe you should watch less TV.
This is the cringiest "WAKE UP SHLEEEPLEEE!!!" Post I've seen you make yet. It's actually worse than that. It's dangerously stupid for easily 6 different reasons, if not more. Definitely more than 6.
Maybe you should eat more meatThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 6:35 PM UTCAldra and Soy are both heavy into the right wing propaganda machines.
I may not agree with you 100% Sudo, and I'm almost certain we've accidentally had sex, but at least you don't buy into the Russian/Q/MAGA propaganda.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2021-01-22 at 8:15 PM UTCI feel sorry for you 😹
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2021-01-22 at 8:25 PM UTCI don't feel anything for you lol.
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2021-01-23 at 12:53 AM UTC
Originally posted by jfakldjfkdaljfalkdfjlkad Aldra and Soy are both heavy into the right wing propaganda machines.
I may not agree with you 100% Sudo, and I'm almost certain we've accidentally had sex, but at least you don't buy into the Russian/Q/MAGA propaganda.
what did I post that you think is propaganda?
Originally posted by Sudo since the existence of this diplomatic compound is news to you it would be wise to learn about it
I looked it up and couldn't find anything about a sigint or listening station, just that it was an old soviet facility used as a resort for diplomatic staff
