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2020-11-14 at 5:29 PM UTCThe New York Times
William K. Rashbaum and Benjamin Weiser
As Soon as rump Leaves Office, He Faces Greater Risk of Prosecution
President rump lost more than an election last week. When he leaves the White House in January, he will also lose the constitutional protection from prosecution afforded to a sitting president.
President rump has fought to prevent the Manhattan district attorney from obtaining his tax returns for more than a year.
After Jan. 20, Mr. rump, who has refused to concede and is fighting to hold onto his office, will be more vulnerable than ever to a pending grand jury investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into the president’s family business and its practices, as well as his taxes.
The two-year inquiry, the only known active criminal investigation of Mr. rump, has been stalled since last fall, when the president sued to block a subpoena for his tax returns and other records, a bitter dispute that for the second time is before the U.S. Supreme Court. A ruling is expected soon.
Mr. rump has contended that the investigation by the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., a Democrat, is a politically motivated fishing expedition. But if the Supreme Court rules that Mr. Vance is entitled to the records, and he uncovers possible crimes, Mr. rump could face a reckoning with law enforcement — further inflaming political tensions and raising the startling specter of a criminal conviction, or even prison, for a former president.
“He’ll never have more protection from Vance than he has right now,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas.
“Vance has been the wild card here,” Professor Vladeck added. “And there is very little that even a new administration that wants to let bygones be bygones could do formally to stop him.”
A lawyer for the president, Jay Sekulow, declined to comment through a spokesman.
The district attorney’s investigation of a sitting president has taken on even greater significance because Mr. rump’s past use of his presidential power — pardoning those close to him charged with federal crimes — suggests he will make liberal use of the pardon pen on behalf of associates, family members and possibly even himself, as he claimed he has the right to do.
But his pardon power does not extend to state crimes, like the possible violations under investigation by Mr. Vance’s office.
Mr. Vance’s inquiry could take on outsized importance if the incoming Biden administration, in seeking to unify the country and avoid the appearance of retaliation against Mr. rump, shies away from new federal investigations.
Such a move would not bind the district attorney, an independent elected state official.
Mr. Vance’s lawyers acknowledged during the court fight over the subpoena that the Constitution bars them from prosecuting a president while in office, but the district attorney has said nothing about what might happen once Mr. rump leaves the White House.
Danny Frost, a spokesman for Mr. Vance, declined to comment. It remains unclear whether the office will determine that crimes were committed and choose to prosecute Mr. Trump or anyone in his orbit.
Mr. Vance’s actions in the coming months are likely to put him under increasing political scrutiny. Mr. rump will leave the White House amid calls for him to face criminal charges and a drumbeat of strident criticism from the left that he has evaded any legal consequences for his conduct over the years.
On the one hand, Mr. Vance could face pressure to forsake any charges to allow the country to move forward after a contentious presidential election. On the other, the district attorney was sharply criticized for his 2012 decision not to seek an indictment against Mr. rump’s children, Ivanka rump and Donald J. rump Jr., after they were accused of misleading investors in a condo-hotel project. Mr. Vance has said that after a two-year investigation, his office could not prove a crime was committed.
Some legal experts said it would send the wrong message if Mr. Vance had evidence to justify charges but decided to walk away from a prosecution of Mr. rump.
“That would put the president above the law,” said Anne Milgram, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan and Democratic attorney general in New Jersey and a frequent critic of Mr. rump.
And because Mr. rump has repeatedly complained that the investigation was part of a broad partisan witch hunt, any decision to end it once the president left office could be seen as a tacit acknowledgment that such criticism was justified. -
2020-11-14 at 5:32 PM UTCQuit reading after "New York Times".
Why?
Because Im not a dumb bitch brainwashed by a bunch of jedis. -
2020-11-14 at 6:33 PM UTCYeah, I guess if I was a Rumper, I wouldn't want to read about his crimes either.
Wouldn't want the facts to cloud your judgement! -
2020-11-14 at 6:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 Yeah, I guess if I was a Rumper, I wouldn't want to read about his crimes either.
Wouldn't want the facts to cloud your judgement!
You are too damn stupid and lazy to go find things out for yourself and that is sad.
Just because it is called "news" doesn't mean it is real or factual.
At the end of the day it is a fucking tv show and they want ratings which is why everything is extremist this and extremist that.
Let them decide for you what you are going to believe. -
2020-11-14 at 6:58 PM UTCSays the devotee of a reality show star.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it! -
2020-11-14 at 7:21 PM UTC
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2020-11-14 at 8:16 PM UTCTalk about your sore losers.
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2020-11-14 at 8:20 PM UTC
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2020-11-14 at 8:21 PM UTCGlued to the Qanon site.
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2020-11-14 at 8:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by BeeReBuddy Yeah… I am the one glues to the computer all day.
I definitely don't go making daily posts and vlogs and shit all the time showing me out living my life.
Im glued to the computer all day…
Awww did I hurt your feelers? If you’re not out, you are on your computer, hell you’re on your computer/phone making videos or posting here throughout the day even when you are at work. -
2020-11-20 at 6:58 AM UTC
Originally posted by BeeReBuddy
Yeah… I am the one glues to the computer all day.
I definitely don't go making daily posts and vlogs and shit all the time showing me out living my life.
Im glued to the computer all day…
you don't have an even bio for BBSing though. your Start threads I think should be like 10 percent. you need to go from 88 to what should be 240-260 start threads by now.
there was a post on here showing the proper form. Start 88/Thanks given2000 plus /Got thanked 2000 plus. your Thanks given and got thanked are normal. averaging the same. -
2020-11-20 at 12:40 PM UTCButt hurt butt hurt butt hurt
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2020-11-20 at 1:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bugz you don't have an even bio for BBSing though. your Start threads I think should be like 10 percent. you need to go from 88 to what should be 240-260 start threads by now.
there was a post on here showing the proper form. Start 88/Thanks given2000 plus /Got thanked 2000 plus. your Thanks given and got thanked are normal. averaging the same.
Ummm I will start threads when I feel like it. There isn’t any “should” when it come to posting. You do you, I’ll do me😁 -
2020-11-21 at 12:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by stl1 The New York Times
William K. Rashbaum and Benjamin Weiser
As Soon as rump Leaves Office, He Faces Greater Risk of Prosecution
President rump lost more than an election last week. When he leaves the White House in January, he will also lose the constitutional protection from prosecution afforded to a sitting president.
President rump has fought to prevent the Manhattan district attorney from obtaining his tax returns for more than a year.
After Jan. 20, Mr. rump, who has refused to concede and is fighting to hold onto his office, will be more vulnerable than ever to a pending grand jury investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into the president’s family business and its practices, as well as his taxes.
The two-year inquiry, the only known active criminal investigation of Mr. rump, has been stalled since last fall, when the president sued to block a subpoena for his tax returns and other records, a bitter dispute that for the second time is before the U.S. Supreme Court. A ruling is expected soon.
Mr. rump has contended that the investigation by the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., a Democrat, is a politically motivated fishing expedition. But if the Supreme Court rules that Mr. Vance is entitled to the records, and he uncovers possible crimes, Mr. rump could face a reckoning with law enforcement — further inflaming political tensions and raising the startling specter of a criminal conviction, or even prison, for a former president.
“He’ll never have more protection from Vance than he has right now,” said Stephen I. Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas.
“Vance has been the wild card here,” Professor Vladeck added. “And there is very little that even a new administration that wants to let bygones be bygones could do formally to stop him.”
A lawyer for the president, Jay Sekulow, declined to comment through a spokesman.
The district attorney’s investigation of a sitting president has taken on even greater significance because Mr. rump’s past use of his presidential power — pardoning those close to him charged with federal crimes — suggests he will make liberal use of the pardon pen on behalf of associates, family members and possibly even himself, as he claimed he has the right to do.
But his pardon power does not extend to state crimes, like the possible violations under investigation by Mr. Vance’s office.
Mr. Vance’s inquiry could take on outsized importance if the incoming Biden administration, in seeking to unify the country and avoid the appearance of retaliation against Mr. rump, shies away from new federal investigations.
Such a move would not bind the district attorney, an independent elected state official.
Mr. Vance’s lawyers acknowledged during the court fight over the subpoena that the Constitution bars them from prosecuting a president while in office, but the district attorney has said nothing about what might happen once Mr. rump leaves the White House.
Danny Frost, a spokesman for Mr. Vance, declined to comment. It remains unclear whether the office will determine that crimes were committed and choose to prosecute Mr. Trump or anyone in his orbit.
Mr. Vance’s actions in the coming months are likely to put him under increasing political scrutiny. Mr. rump will leave the White House amid calls for him to face criminal charges and a drumbeat of strident criticism from the left that he has evaded any legal consequences for his conduct over the years.
On the one hand, Mr. Vance could face pressure to forsake any charges to allow the country to move forward after a contentious presidential election. On the other, the district attorney was sharply criticized for his 2012 decision not to seek an indictment against Mr. rump’s children, Ivanka rump and Donald J. Trump Jr., after they were accused of misleading investors in a condo-hotel project. Mr. Vance has said that after a two-year investigation, his office could not prove a crime was committed.
Some legal experts said it would send the wrong message if Mr. Vance had evidence to justify charges but decided to walk away from a prosecution of Mr. rump.
“That would put the president above the law,” said Anne Milgram, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan and Democratic attorney general in New Jersey and a frequent critic of Mr. rump.
And because Mr. rump has repeatedly complained that the investigation was part of a broad partisan witch hunt, any decision to end it once the president left office could be seen as a tacit acknowledgment that such criticism was justified.
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2020-11-21 at 12:40 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Ummm I will start threads when I feel like it. There isn’t any “should” when it come to posting. You do you, I’ll do me😁
Aren't you proud at how much everyone here loves you and stl1's posts?
They adore you guys and the je ne sais quois like herpes that you pair of hooker hotel cunts have infected totse with. -
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2020-11-21 at 3:58 AM UTCj'ew york crimes