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2020-10-28 at 9:13 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-10-28 at 9:15 PM UTCThat's a funny joke
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2020-10-28 at 9:39 PM UTC
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2020-10-28 at 9:42 PM UTCThat's because they have a tiny population and a fuck ton of oil, gas and fish which they have no issue exploiting and destroying the environment.
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2020-10-28 at 9:47 PM UTC
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2020-10-28 at 10:26 PM UTCNorway- 86% of people under 30 vote
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2020-10-28 at 10:32 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Norway is no joke. They are one of the happiest and richest countries in the world. A grocery store clerk in Norway can afford all their bills with cash to spare. Many are able to travel abroad on even the lowliest of jobs.
they used to be mocked and were considered "White Trash" by other Europeans. now they're ahead of the game.
Ireland I hear is becoming like this as well. I have both in my blood lineage. but I never say I'm Norwegian because it was always associated with white trash or potheads. At least in the states as well as Europe.
I had a half brother who's dad was from Norway.
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2020-10-28 at 10:38 PM UTCNatural Gas is very valuable. when Heavy Crude becomes more worthless because of gas vehicles becoming a think of the past and synthetic oils being used in place of heavy oil, Methane that comes from the vapors of it will still be valuable for centuries to come.
as a matter of fact, I believe Icelanders have Norwegian (Vikings?) lineage and its just by chance Iceland is a major pipeline of natural gas.
vapor liqued Methane and Propane fluid is fuck expensive in Cali. I think its like 8 bucks a gallon for Propane and who knows how much or how Methane is measured. but its got to be twice of that as Gas. so it's a very profitable commodity im sure.
also they're making Plastics with Vapor fuel now. the value keeps going up. -
2020-10-28 at 10:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by Bugz Natural Gas is very valuable. when Heavy Crude becomes more worthless because of gas vehicles becoming a think of the past and synthetic oils being used in place of heavy oil, Methane that comes from the vapors of it will still be valuable for centuries to come.
as a matter of fact, I believe Icelanders have Norwegian (Vikings?) lineage and its just by chance Iceland is a major pipeline of natural gas.
vapor liqued Methane and Propane fluid is fuck expensive in Cali. I think its like 8 bucks a gallon for Propane and who knows how much or how Methane is measured. but its got to be twice of that as Gas. so it's a very profitable commodity im sure.
also they're making Plastics with Vapor fuel now. the value keeps going up.
It's more their tax laws and wealth distribution that have made the average Norwegian so well off. Protip: democratic socialism works.
They've basically got the dream economy right now that America did in the 1950's. -
2020-10-28 at 11:27 PM UTC
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2020-10-28 at 11:42 PM UTCMore like Norgay
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2020-10-29 at 12:02 AM UTCAverage Norwegian family has 3,000USD more disposable income every year.
An extra 3,000 is life changing for a lot of people. The difference between being homeless and not. Going hungry or having food. Scraping by or taking a vacation abroad. -
2020-10-29 at 12:40 AM UTCScandinavian countries are well-known for possessing high standards of living, and quality of life.
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2020-10-29 at 12:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by WellHung Scandinavian countries are well-known for possessing high standards of living, and quality of life.
Norwegians pay on average 19.7% flat rate for their taxes. 60% for the top earners.
Americans pay more like 10-15%. Top earners pay 37%.
Yet even with these high taxes, they are coming out with $3,000 USD more disposable income than we do. And their schools and healthcare are taken care of, so none of them are in debt. Plus they don't have that credit card culture that we do, and even if they did they'd need it less because less of them have trouble paying their bills to begin with.
It's just nuts. It's not that much more tax. This is what happens when you take from the rich and give to the poor. It benefits everybody, instead of just the rich. -
2020-10-29 at 1:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace It's more their tax laws and wealth distribution that have made the average Norwegian so well off. Protip: democratic socialism works.
They've basically got the dream economy right now that America did in the 1950's.
Yeah, anything can work when you have a tiny population and a wealth of natural resources. It's not at all comparable to any economic superpowers with large populations where that kind of system would never work.
If you tried it in America the country would go broke so quickly, not like you care because ideology is all that matters to you. Try looking at the bigger picture for once. -
2020-10-29 at 1:08 AM UTC"Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country."
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2020-10-29 at 1:08 AM UTCI'll speak as an expert as I actually lived over a decade in Norway.
If you're a tradesman in the USA or Canada, firstly you'll be way worse off in Norway. Your boss can't give you a raise for putting in more effort or for being more skilled. It's all tied to your credentials, how long you've been working in the trade, etc. Not your actual skill level.
Second, try to get someone to do work for you in Norway. You'll be biting your head off. Or eventually hire pollacks, just pay for their gas money up and give them somewhere to sleep.
Only the grocery store clerks and the unemployed are better off in Norway than in the USA.
They adjusted salaries, and they adjusted for purchasing power, but did they adjust for income tax? sales tax which in Norway is at 25% for most items?
Low unemployment? Give me a fucking break. Actual workforce participation is a better metric. Which is low as fuck in Norway. People seek out diagnosis from their doctors such as autism. This makes them "retired" on paper. They get guaranteed income from the state for life, and are not counted in the unemployment statistic. Lots of people seek this out after they finish schooling - it's like winning the lottery. Except the amount of money you receive is little in Norway - so people go live abroad as kings on it instead.
Comparing Norway to Sweden or Denmark? Sweden and Denmark have heavy industry. Norway never did have much. You've got iron mines, machinery factories, volvo, husquarna, saab. They make excavators, jet fighters, tanks, trucks, etc. in Sweden. They don't in Norway. Much of Norway's wealth back in the day came from the fact that Sweden had to ship it's iron ore through Norway to get to market.
Dream on about Norway, they're racists there too. I was essentially considered a foreigner for having dark hair. -
2020-10-29 at 1:19 AM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Yeah, anything can work when you have a tiny population and a wealth of natural resources. It's not at all comparable to any economic superpowers with large populations where that kind of system would never work.
If you tried it in America the country would go broke so quickly, not like you care because ideology is all that matters to you. Try looking at the bigger picture for once.
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. You still think their wealth comes from oil. It doesn't. When Norway created their socialist oil company they looked at how to use the money generated to help their economy indefinitely. They saw what Saudi Arabia was doing and knew that when the oil was gone, it would leave their economy in ruins. Hence the saying, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel."
You can see where the wealth in Saudi Arabia went. Nice cars, crazy ass sky scrapers, but the poor are getting ass fucked and living in 3rd world conditions. Probably one of the countries where wealth disparity is the most apparent.
But it doesn't matter if it's oil. Any kind of income is the same. Natural resources just tend to be a very easy way to generate income. It's a lot harder to say, develop something like Silicon Valley in your country. But America has done it. We are the richest, most powerful country in the history of the world. America's GDP is about 20 trillion. The EU's GDP is about 14 trillion, and they have 100 million more people than we do. China has a similar GDP with a waaay higher population, and then the next highest is Japan with 4 trillion GDP.
There's money in this country. We just aren't distributing it. Corporations are literally paying zero tax. There is no excuse for America's people to live like this. I mean what, you think it just can't get better? This is as good as it gets? Give me a fucking break. Democratic socialism has a proven track record. You yourself literally live on it, so it baffles me how you could be against such a thing. -
2020-10-29 at 1:23 AM UTC
Originally posted by Splam I'll speak as an expert as I actually lived over a decade in Norway.
If you're a tradesman in the USA or Canada, firstly you'll be way worse off in Norway. Your boss can't give you a raise for putting in more effort or for being more skilled. It's all tied to your credentials, how long you've been working in the trade, etc. Not your actual skill level.
Second, try to get someone to do work for you in Norway. You'll be biting your head off. Or eventually hire pollacks, just pay for their gas money up and give them somewhere to sleep.
Only the grocery store clerks and the unemployed are better off in Norway than in the USA.
They adjusted salaries, and they adjusted for purchasing power, but did they adjust for income tax? sales tax which in Norway is at 25% for most items?
Low unemployment? Give me a fucking break. Actual workforce participation is a better metric. Which is low as fuck in Norway. People seek out diagnosis from their doctors such as autism. This makes them "retired" on paper. They get guaranteed income from the state for life, and are not counted in the unemployment statistic. Lots of people seek this out after they finish schooling - it's like winning the lottery. Except the amount of money you receive is little in Norway - so people go live abroad as kings on it instead.
Comparing Norway to Sweden or Denmark? Sweden and Denmark have heavy industry. Norway never did have much. You've got iron mines, machinery factories, volvo, husquarna, saab. They make excavators, jet fighters, tanks, trucks, etc. in Sweden. They don't in Norway. Much of Norway's wealth back in the day came from the fact that Sweden had to ship it's iron ore through Norway to get to market.
Dream on about Norway, they're racists there too. I was essentially considered a foreigner for having dark hair.
So all of this sounds great. Equal pay for equal work. The problem with America in the first place is that the rich are making too much at the cost of everyone else's health. Our food standards are low as hell. You can get a 5lb pack of chicken for like 2 dollars. That shit isn't right. That is symptomatic of a world in which only corporations can afford to compete, while the majority is pushed into being workers for them. It's modern day slavery. -
2020-10-29 at 1:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace You yourself literally live on it, so it baffles me how you could be against such a thing.
The only reason socialism 'works' in my country is because of the proud men and women out west in the lumber industry, oil and gas, mining, etc.
Without that we could never afford any of that shit. Same goes for Norway. Also, only an idiot wants to pay more tax. What's the point of getting wealthy if the guberment will just take all your money? All high taxes do is encourage people to open their business in Delware or Ireland and open Swiss Caymen Islands bank accounts to avoid having to pay that bullshit which just gets wasted by corrupt politicians anyways, it does NOT go to helping poor people, never has, never will.
A healthy low tax economy is what helps poor people, less tax, keep more of your money and you have incentive to become wealthy knowing you aren't gonna be penalized for it.
Norway corporations do exactly what everyone else does and that's paying as little tax as possible, which is a good thing.
https://www.ipe.com/news/norways-swf-manager-speaks-out-against-excessive-tax-avoidance/10044236.article
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2018/08/24/tax-evasion-poses-threat-to-welfare/Norway’s state economic crime unit Økokrim has singled out tax evasion as posing among the biggest threats to the welfare state that’s been built up since World War II. Everything from subsidized day care to pension payments is threatened by Norwegian individuals and companies that avoid paying taxes owed.
