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Japanese pianist violently attacked by pack of niggers in NYC
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2020-10-14 at 4:12 PM UTCso why does a crime committed against a certain demographic make it more special? murder is murder, assault is assault, a crime is a fucking crime. what difference does it make who the victim is? i thought everybody was equal and race was a social construct.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-10-14 at 4:42 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev so why does a crime committed against a certain demographic make it more special? murder is murder, assault is assault, a crime is a fucking crime. what difference does it make who the victim is? i thought everybody was equal and race was a social construct.
Nobody has ever fucking said that race was a social construct you absolute moron. Nor does equality have anything to do with it. If we assumed we weren't equal, then what, your opinion will be different? You're just throwing whatever 'liberal sounding' terminology you can and throwing it at the issue.
I don't know why you seem to be so confused. We've used motive to weigh out the severity of a punishment for a long time. Morally, planning to kill your wife for 6 months is a lot worse than just killing her in the heat of the moment because you found her cheating or something. People who plan out murders are devious and dangerous and deserve to be locked up for longer to keep them away from society. You don't want someone to get locked up for decades just because their car malfunctioned and killed someone, do you? Motive is important.
People who commit hate crimes have a very special motive. They're willing to attack people purely based on who they are as a person. This is a lot worse than someone who is willing to attack someone for their wallet or phone. That person will only attack someone so long as they don't have enough money. The person committing hate crimes will attack people regardless. They are more dangerous, and deserve to be locked up for longer. Plus even without harsher punishments, its important that we're able to look at a criminal record and see this information. I might hire a dude who used to mug people for money. I'm not going to hire a dude who beat people up just because of who they were. Those people can rot in prison and die for all I fucking care. IMO hate crimes should have the death penalty. -
2020-10-14 at 4:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace You don't want someone to get locked up for decades just because their car malfunctioned and killed someone, do you? Motive is important.
Yes, there is first degree, second degree murder, manslaughter, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
One is a motive to kill and succeeding, one is a motive to assault but the victim dies instead, one is unintentional killing due to gross negligence, one is a motive to kill but failing in the attempt.
Which one does a hate murder fall in? if the murder was intentional and he succeeds, let him be convicted in the first degree. again, what difference does it make which demographic the victim is? -
2020-10-14 at 4:54 PM UTC
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2020-10-14 at 5:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev Yes, there is first degree, second degree murder, manslaughter, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
One is a motive to kill and succeeding, one is a motive to assault but the victim dies instead, one is unintentional killing due to gross negligence, one is a motive to kill but failing in the attempt.
Which one does a hate murder fall in? if the murder was intentional and he succeeds, let him be convicted in the first degree. again, what difference does it make which demographic the victim is?
holy fuck how are you this stupid. You act like we don't already have federal legislative framework for what a hate crime is or how this plays out in court. There is no 'hate murder.' Hate crime is the name of the actual charge. Hate crime is a felony.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249
You would get charged for whatever murder + hate crime.
Seriously I don't understand how your brain works. You can look all this shit up yourself. Why are you just making GUESSES as to how the legal system works? Did you think they just added 'hate' to whatever crime you did? Hate littering? Hate rape? Fucking lol. -
2020-10-14 at 5:18 PM UTC
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2020-10-14 at 5:20 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Hate crime is the name of the actual charge. Hate crime is a felony.
Typical compliant normie...thinks there is only 1 way to skin a cat...simply because it is a charge/court recognized term doesn't mean it's the ONLY example of it's use.
If I beat your brown ass because I hate you but don't actually get charged with it as a hate crime...it doesn't stop it from being a crime driven by hate.
It also highlights how stupid the judicial system is...as if a hate crime can't happen between 2 whites... -
2020-10-14 at 5:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by Jiggaboo_Johnson Typical compliant normie…thinks there is only 1 way to skin a cat…simply because it is a charge/court recognized term doesn't mean it's the ONLY example of it's use.
If I beat your brown ass because I hate you but don't actually get charged with it as a hate crime…it doesn't stop it from being a crime driven by hate.
It also highlights how stupid the judicial system is…as if a hate crime can't happen between 2 whites…
All I see is a bunch of bullshit. Big bore fest. -
2020-10-14 at 5:26 PM UTC
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2020-10-14 at 5:34 PM UTC
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2020-10-14 at 5:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace
holy fuck how are you this stupid. You act like we don't already have federal legislative framework for what a hate crime is or how this plays out in court. There is no 'hate murder.' Hate crime is the name of the actual charge. Hate crime is a felony.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249
You would get charged for whatever murder + hate crime.
Seriously I don't understand how your brain works. You can look all this shit up yourself. Why are you just making GUESSES as to how the legal system works? Did you think they just added 'hate' to whatever crime you did? Hate littering? Hate rape? Fucking lol.
except in most cases there are hate crime “enhancements” or higher mandatory minimums. I cant find whether enhancements apply to murder too, but Essentially itd be stating that killing a person because theyre black/whatever is somehow worse than murdering someone just for shits and giggles.
Thats weird. -
2020-10-14 at 5:49 PM UTC
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2020-10-15 at 2:13 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER except in most cases there are hate crime “enhancements” or higher mandatory minimums. I cant find whether enhancements apply to murder too, but Essentially itd be stating that killing a person because theyre black/whatever is somehow worse than murdering someone just for shits and giggles.
Thats weird.
No it's not weird. People who commit violent hate crimes are more dangerous to society than those who just commit regular violent acts. I mean what are most violent acts? Aggravated assault? Some kind of mugging? The mentally ill?
People who are mad can calm down. People who need money can find it elsewhere. People who are mentally ill can get medicine and treatment.
But those who commit acts out of racism and bigotry have no cure. It's like trying to convert someone to a new religion by force. They might play through all the steps, but they won't change. Like a drug addict being court ordered to rehab.
These people have shown a proclivity towards violence with an unchanging motive. The potential victims? Literally anyone who is born the wrong way.
People like that need to be taken out of society. They need harsher punishments. All violence isn't equal. Motive matters. -
2020-10-15 at 2:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by Kev Seems redundant as fuck. again, what difference does it make?
Makes a pretty big difference. You are pretending like this isn't an established thing. It is. Go start a fight with a random black dude and call him a nigger, and that is a hate crime according to federal law. Use of racial slurs is explicitly stated.
These guys used racial slurs on a Japanese guy before beating him up. This makes it a hate crime according to Federal law. It doesn't matter if you think it is or not, or if you think it's a 'bullshit charge'. This is the law and it is this way to keep the most detrimental of society away from hard working people, and forever labels them as the bigot they are.
Would you want a child molester's criminal record to simply say 'sexual offender' or 'sexual assault'? I think it's pretty damn important that we know that they are worse than a regular rapist. Most rapists probably wouldn't rape kids. I guarantee you there have been prison fights over this, like "Yeah I rape, but at least I don't rape kids."
You don't see people who will attack you for your skin color as the same thing? What if you had acid poured on you just because you were white? You would be pretty damn pissed, and not want that person to get some 'aggravated assault' bullshit. -
2020-10-15 at 2:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace No it's not weird. People who commit violent hate crimes are more dangerous to society than those who just commit regular violent acts. I mean what are most violent acts? Aggravated assault? Some kind of mugging? The mentally ill?
People who are mad can calm down. People who need money can find it elsewhere. People who are mentally ill can get medicine and treatment.
But those who commit acts out of racism and bigotry have no cure. It's like trying to convert someone to a new religion by force. They might play through all the steps, but they won't change. Like a drug addict being court ordered to rehab.
These people have shown a proclivity towards violence with an unchanging motive. The potential victims? Literally anyone who is born the wrong way.
People like that need to be taken out of society. They need harsher punishments. All violence isn't equal. Motive matters.
Shut up faggot.
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2020-10-15 at 2:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace No it's not weird. People who commit violent hate crimes are more dangerous to society than those who just commit regular violent acts. I mean what are most violent acts? Aggravated assault? Some kind of mugging? The mentally ill?
People who are mad can calm down. People who need money can find it elsewhere. People who are mentally ill can get medicine and treatment.
But those who commit acts out of racism and bigotry have no cure. It's like trying to convert someone to a new religion by force. They might play through all the steps, but they won't change. Like a drug addict being court ordered to rehab.
These people have shown a proclivity towards violence with an unchanging motive. The potential victims? Literally anyone who is born the wrong way.
People like that need to be taken out of society. They need harsher punishments. All violence isn't equal. Motive matters.
Thats retarded. Someone who curb stomps someone because he was black is no more dangerous than someone who curbed someone because he wanted an iphone. -
2020-10-15 at 2:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER Thats retarded. Someone who curb stomps someone because he was black is no more dangerous than someone who curbed someone because he wanted an iphone.
Yes he is. The guy who wants an iPhone has a problem that can be solved. Money. His motive is temporary and situational. A racists is not. Their motive is an ideology. It's like trying to reason with ISIS members. You just can't rehabilitate indoctrination. The only reason you're crying about this is because you're an admitted racist who thinks black people are literally coming to take your home. Look here! This youtube video proves it.
Yeah, no thanks. Im glad federal law is what it is. Hate crimes are a thing in 47 state laws as well. This isn't going away and fuck anyone who wants it to.
Your history makes it clear you don't care about others tho. I dont expect you to have sympathy unless you're paid to -
2020-10-15 at 2:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Yes he is. The guy who wants an iPhone has a problem that can be solved. Money. His motive is temporary and situational. A racists is not. Their motive is an ideology.
It's refreshing that you don't used the cliche "ignorance" line re: racists.
You're still a fucking tomato picker though who should be castrated and laughed at in the street.
