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Trump admits he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ and worse than the flu while intentionally misleading Americans
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2020-10-14 at 1:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'm sure we've talked about it before, I know I've posted links and data
Basically hospitals will typically mark any death while a patient has tested positive for COVID as being caused by COVID. This is partially due to the lack of resources to perform an autopsy/verify cause of death for every casualty and partially because hospitals get paid out more (insurance) for COVID kills. This has lead to instances where people who died in car accidents, falls or violence being marked as COVID deaths because they had the virus concurrently.
In terms of testing, the initial CDC test kits had a 50% accuracy rate and it's not clear how much they've been improved since then. Current test kits carry the warning that they may register a positive for any coronavirus such as the common cold, rather than the specific COVID19 virus. Further it's recently been reported that the PCR tests used to detect the presence of the virus in the test kits has been such a high sensitivity (standard tests are run at sensitivity level 30, COVID tests are run at 40 with graduating steps) that they've been demonstrated to pick up inert and deactivated viruses and even stray genetic material that may or may not have even come from a coronavirus intially. Over 90% of tests are run at this absurdly high sensitivity, meaning that up to 90% of tests may have registered a false positive.
Mmhm
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-07-21/cdc-study-coronavirus-infection-numbers-may-be-up-to-24-times-higher-than-reported?context=amp -
2020-10-14 at 1:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Mmhm
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-07-21/cdc-study-coronavirus-infection-numbers-may-be-up-to-24-times-higher-than-reported?context=amp
Did you read the study? Even just looking over it there are at least two major issues, one of which being that they were unable to completely separate COVID19 antibodies from those generated as a response to other coronaviruses and the other being that the samples in larger areas weren't individually tagged so many were possible duplicates -
2020-10-14 at 1:54 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Did you read the study? Even just looking over it there are at least two major issues, one of which being that they were unable to completely separate COVID19 antibodies from those generated as a response to other coronaviruses and the other being that the samples in larger areas weren't individually tagged so many were possible duplicates
I can find you articles upon articles stating that the numbers are underreported. Just like you can find the opposite. I can see some mistakes like you’ve stated, but those are isolated incidences. -
2020-10-14 at 1:56 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Mmhm
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-07-21/cdc-study-coronavirus-infection-numbers-may-be-up-to-24-times-higher-than-reported?context=amp
"....ELISA may exhibit cross-reactivity with antibodies to other common human coronaviruses; therefore, some results may represent a false-positive result for SARS-CoV-2, potentially leading to overestimation of the actual seroprevalence."
^ Another worthless "study".The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-10-14 at 1:59 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist I can find you articles upon articles stating that the numbers are underreported. Just like you can find the opposite. I can see some mistakes like you’ve stated, but those are isolated incidences.
I'm talking about massive problems with the methodology in which the virus is detected and reported though; I don't know that it's necessarily over- or under- reported but there's just no way to draw meaningful conclusions from the data. It's a mess and not really useful in its current state -
2020-10-14 at 2:12 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'm sure we've talked about it before, I know I've posted links and data
Basically hospitals will typically mark any death while a patient has tested positive for COVID as being caused by COVID. This is partially due to the lack of resources to perform an autopsy/verify cause of death for every casualty and partially because hospitals get paid out more (insurance) for COVID kills. This has lead to instances where people who died in car accidents, falls or violence being marked as COVID deaths because they had the virus concurrently.
Flagrantly untrue. They don't get paid more for COVID deaths. Where the fuck did you hear that? Trump? Actually READ the CARES act and you'll see the only money hospitals got from the federal government was a 20% medicaid supplement. This is, the feds covering an additional 20% for all medicaid bills for all patients who test positive for COVID.
Here's the money for that. Both for the CARES act and the 2nd wave of 10 billion.
https://data.cdc.gov/Administrative/Provider-Relief-Fund-COVID-19-High-Impact-Payments/b58h-s9zx/data
Where's the money you're talking about? Where's the legislation that says hospitals get money 'for each death'?In terms of testing, the initial CDC test kits had a 50% accuracy rate and it's not clear how much they've been improved since then. Current test kits carry the warning that they may register a positive for any coronavirus such as the common cold, rather than the specific COVID19 virus. Further it's recently been reported that the PCR tests used to detect the presence of the virus in the test kits has been such a high sensitivity (standard tests are run at sensitivity level 30, COVID tests are run at 40 with graduating steps) that they've been demonstrated to pick up inert and deactivated viruses and even stray genetic material that may or may not have even come from a coronavirus intially. Over 90% of tests are run at this absurdly high sensitivity, meaning that up to 90% of tests may have registered a false positive.
This is complete bullshit lol. "CDC test kits" are not any different from the tests the rest of the world is using. If America's testing numbers are off, so is everyone else's. Clearly though, you have no idea what you're talking about. What you're thinking about are the very early molecular tests. We now have far more sophisticated antigen/antibody tests which are significantly more accurate.
I don't even know what to say about the rest of your post. It's just wild ass speculation and you come to a wild ass conclusion that '90% of the tests may be false positives' based on fucking what? Your own guesswork? Because you THINK it might be? You FEEL they aren't accurate?
I mean holy shit. The level of mental gymnastics you are going through to get to the conclusions you are getting is just insane. You have no evidence of any kind for anything you're saying. Where are your scientific studies showing the tests are 'wildly accurate'? Like you realize this is just a problem in modern medicine right? People get false positives for cancer. For other coronaviruses. For genetic diseases. Donut frosting gets mistaken for methamphetamines in reagent tests. I mean it's just a problem overall. Why is anybody pretending like the coronavirus tests are any different?
Even if 50% of the tests are false positives (which would be unrealistically inaccurate) the official CDC report (as in, the actual counted COVID deaths) is at like 210,000 dead in America, with it being more like 300,000 if you count the 'unexplained' spike in pnuemonia and heart attack. But let's assume the "real" number is 100k. That is still 10% of the COVID deaths for a country with 4% of the world's population. -
2020-10-14 at 2:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I'm talking about massive problems with the methodology in which the virus is detected and reported though; I don't know that it's necessarily over- or under- reported but there's just no way to draw meaningful conclusions from the data. It's a mess and not really useful in its current state
Lmao you're so full of shit.90% of tests may have registered a false positive.
You have a clear bias here. It's no secret that you're a conspiracy nut. You should really re-consider your opinions once SpectraL starts thanking your posts. -
2020-10-14 at 2:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist I can find you articles upon articles stating that the numbers are underreported. Just like you can find the opposite. I can see some mistakes like you’ve stated, but those are isolated incidences.
Yep. We've got massive increases in 'pnuemonia' and 'heart attack' which republicants have absolutely no answer for. If it's not from COVID, then what the fuck is it from? We had 49,000 pnuemonia deaths in 2019, and according to the CDC we're at 206,375 for this year so far.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
but sure. I guess it's just made up. They're doing it to get money1!!!1 -
2020-10-14 at 2:18 PM UTCThank you, Doctor §m£ÂgØL.
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2020-10-14 at 2:23 PM UTCHas nothing to do with my knowledge. I'm quoting directly from the CDC and referencing US legislature. This is all the official information, which you refute despite your complete lack of evidence. It's really quite sad how brainwashed people like you are, Specs. I'm glad you're Canadian.
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2020-10-14 at 2:31 PM UTCDonald J Tchildsex has knowingly caused the deaths of over 200,000 Americans
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2020-10-14 at 2:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE Donald J Tchildsex has knowingly caused the deaths of over 200,000 Americans
We're nearing 8,000,0000 total cases in the US. 216,000 dead.
It's actually amazing how many people are willing to believe these numbers are lies, all because of propaganda about hospitals getting money that they absolutely 100% can't link to any legislation. How many more thousands of Americans have to die before people realize this virus is an issue?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-10-14 at 2:46 PM UTCThe PCR test was never designed to identify any virus, which makes the numbers produced from it totally worthless. That's a fact that can't be denied.
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2020-10-14 at 2:55 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL The PCR test was never designed to identify any virus, which makes the numbers produced from it totally worthless. That's a fact that can't be denied.
Microwaves weren't designed to cook food, they were supposed to transmit radio waves. everyone who uses a microwave is an idiot. those things have cameras in them dont you know? -
2020-10-14 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Microwaves weren't designed to cook food, they were supposed to transmit radio waves. everyone who uses a microwave is an idiot. those things have cameras in them dont you know?
None of that babble changes the inarguable fact that the PCR test, the test they've been using on a mass scale for over 6 months, was never designed to identify any virus, and so the numbers it produced are totally fraudulent and worthless. Facts are persistent things, kid. You can babble away until the cows come home, but the facts never change. -
2020-10-14 at 3:17 PM UTCMy knife wasn't designed to open wine bottles. Sure can tho.
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2020-10-14 at 3:43 PM UTCHumans weren't meant to be this retarded, but just look at spectral
