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2020-10-11 at 2:18 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai This bad boy right here (and its multitudinous variants) has worked reliably for the purposes of "fighting back" for the better part of a century now.
I mean, the US government can and does use chemical weapons and drones against it's civilians. Plus there are a lot of ex-military in US LE who have had training in actual combat scenarios.
Americans are less armed than a poor ISIS scrub, who at least has a grenade to kill himself with.
The right to bear arms was cool 300 years ago but it's pretty obsolete now unless your government is some weak 3rd world nation that doesn't have an army of drones, or the ability to use chemical weapons on it's civilians.
Like it's funny how America was all wawawa about Assad using chemical weapons, but it was exactly as legal as what US police are doing to protesters. Both are sovereign states with no laws about using chemical weapons on (their own) civilians. -
2020-10-11 at 2:25 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace The right to bear arms was cool 300 years ago but it's pretty obsolete now
I think this is probably the best trick a government has ever pulled off. They can't get rid of the legally enshrined right which gives you the power to fight back, so they managed to convince a plurality of you that you didn't actually have that power and that guns were only good for shooting at unarmed kids in schools. Drones and shit aside, Americans have *so* much firepower at their disposal if they actually wanted to fight back. You don't need to have tanks to put up a fight. Asymmetric warfare is a thing. Lord knows the American military have been getting asymmetrically plowed in the ass on the other side of the planet for almost 20 years now. The Vietnamese somehow managed to pull it off too.
The right to bear arms isn't obsolete. What you've got is good enough to put up a decent fight. Shit, Afghanis bring the heat with 150 year old Martini Henrys. The American spirit of rebellion is the only thing that's obsolete apparently.
Also: repealing the NFA and GCA 1968 would fix some of that "obsolescence" issue.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-10-11 at 2:32 PM UTC
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2020-10-11 at 2:47 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai I think this is probably the best trick a government has ever pulled off. They can't get rid of the legally enshrined right which gives you the power to fight back, so they managed to convince a plurality of you that you didn't actually have that power and that guns were only good for shooting at unarmed kids in schools. Drones and shit aside, Americans have *so* much firepower at their disposal if they actually wanted to fight back. You don't need to have tanks to put up a fight. Asymmetric warfare is a thing. Lord knows the American military have been getting asymmetrically plowed in the ass on the other side of the planet for almost 20 years now. The Vietnamese somehow managed to pull it off too.
The right to bear arms isn't obsolete. What you've got is good enough to put up a decent fight. Shit, Afghanis bring the heat with 150 year old Martini Henrys. The American spirit of rebellion is the only thing that's obsolete apparently.
Also: repealing the NFA and GCA 1968 would fix some of that "obsolescence" issue.
You tell me how Americans stand a chance when we are less trained, less equipped, and less armed than ISIS? If there was an actual civil war going on where the US government was straight up killing civilians, the civilians would stand no chance. A successful civil war would need a military coup.
With the NSA and social media it would be trivial to start tracking moves before people could make them. It's tough when you don't know who you're fighting. It's not so tough when Jimmy Henderson has 12 years of social media to look through, records for his gun purchases, and GPS tracking on his phone.
No American is going to have a functional rocket launcher. Maybe a few people will have the knowledge and resources to take some decommissioned one back into service, but not many people, and they'd probably have a hard time finding ammunition. Militants in the middle east have had a long time to build supply chains from all over the world. Where would Americans get their guns? Would any nation actually support the rebels in a civil war, like the French did in the American revolutionary war? The Vietnamese had the Russians.
How many Americans do you think know how to set up IEDs? I mean the list goes on. To get to the level of knowledge and sophistication that other groups have, would take decades. Insurgency doesn't just spring up overnight. It's usually some overgrown splinter of another group, who splintered off from another group, and so and and so forth. They have training camps and education centers.
Realistically, Americans arm up against the feds and we'll kill a good number of them. But in the end, they can use drone strikes and we can't. America doesn't care about breaking the law or about the safety of it's own civilians. It's happened many many times through history and I don't think we're beyond seeing the military just get unleashed on a rebellious America. Tanks, helicopters, drones, etc. Full war.
I always think of that one Roman emperor (i forget his name) who had a play written about him that he didn't like, so he gathered the military and had them attack the people in the town it was written in for no reason, then let his soldiers stay there for 3 days and 3 nights, telling them to do whatever they wanted. They killed and raped, all in the name of vanity. People completely unconnected to the play died for absolutely no reason. That's the kind of shit humans do with absolute power, when they're the strongest game in town.
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2020-10-11 at 2:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace It's fucking amazing how nobody cares about this. These are against the Geneva convention. Civilians can't even get these in most (any?) states. How are you supposed to fight back when it's legal for the police to use fucking chemical weapons.
Not to mention the sonar guns.
It's against the rules of war because in wartime you cannot just sniff the gas and say "yup that's just tear gas, not a deadly nerve gas that will kill me horribly if I take a whiff". You have no way to discriminate between lethal and non lethal chemical weaponry.
It really has no bearing on its usefulness in policing. Same way the Geneva or Hague conventions banned hollow point bullets, but police forces around the world still use hollow points, because hollow points shatter, fragment and tumble after hitting a body or a wall or something and have less of a chance of causing collateral damage via missed shots or overpenetration than a solid core bullet -
2020-10-11 at 2:53 PM UTCThat's why the crazies want to get rid of the police, because they are totally out of control and have very clearly outgrown their usefulness, and they're absolutely right on that one.
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2020-10-11 at 3:15 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace You tell me how Americans stand a chance when we are less trained, less equipped, and less armed than ISIS? If there was an actual civil war going on where the US government was straight up killing civilians, the civilians would stand no chance. A successful civil war would need a military coup.
There are plenty of group with training. Radical militias, veterans, etc. Americans are better equipped than plenty of people who have picked up arms to fight the US military.
I'll take some quotes out of order here, but you're under some misconceptions:
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace No American is going to have a functional rocket launcher. Maybe a few people will have the knowledge and resources to take some decommissioned one back into service, but not many people, and they'd probably have a hard time finding ammunition.
Plenty of Americans have functioning rocket launchers. What most of them don't have is ammunition. Not an easy situation to remedy, granted, but easier than having neither. I'm like 98% sure functioning rocket launchers/RPGs are completely federally legal to own. The ammunition is considered a destructive device, which means also legal to own.... provided you have the right permits and pay tax stamps. Same deal with machine guns and all kinds of other goodies, really.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace How many Americans do you think know how to set up IEDs? I mean the list goes on.
Literally every American who's worked handling explosives in construction, mining, land management, EOD veterans... I mean the list goes on.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace With the NSA and social media it would be trivial to start tracking moves before people could make them. It's tough when you don't know who you're fighting. It's not so tough when Jimmy Henderson has 12 years of social media to look through, records for his gun purchases, and GPS tracking on his phone.
Counter-SIGINT would definitely be an important thing to figure out, but again there are plenty of veterans out there (and let's be real: also active service members) who aren't going to fight on the side of the government during an actual rebellion. There will be people who can teach Americans how to not post about their on-going guerilla operations Twitter. The bolded part though? Yeah. That's a toughy. Form 4473. Congrats to every shitlicking gun control advocate who thought that was a good idea.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Militants in the middle east have had a long time to build supply chains from all over the world. Where would Americans get their guns? Would any nation actually support the rebels in a civil war, like the French did in the American revolutionary war? The Vietnamese had the Russians.
This is an interesting point because it kind of just assumes that you would not be receiving similar support today. I was going to mention this earlier but yeah, you'd be getting a helping hand in the form of materiel from foreign powers eventually.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace To get to the level of knowledge and sophistication that other groups have, would take decades. Insurgency doesn't just spring up overnight. It's usually some overgrown splinter of another group, who splintered off from another group, and so and and so forth. They have training camps and education centers.
Again, veterans. Plenty of people have these kinds of knowledge and skills and will pass that knowledge and those skills on. Also this would probably be the first kind of aid you got from foreign powers. It's hard to smuggle a tank into the country at the start of a war. It's pretty easy to smuggle in a person with the knowledge you'd need to train an effective fighting force.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Realistically, Americans arm up against the feds and we'll kill a good number of them. But in the end, they can use drone strikes and we can't.
That hasn't stopped insurgents across the world, and Americans have the added benefit of being on the same continent and in the same country as the bases those drones are operated from.
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Good luck with your AK-47 though.
Good luck and god speed to any brave American patriot who decides to take up arms to water the tree of liberty once more when that day comes. -
2020-10-11 at 3:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE It's against the rules of war because in wartime you cannot just sniff the gas and say "yup that's just tear gas, not a deadly nerve gas that will kill me horribly if I take a whiff". You have no way to discriminate between lethal and non lethal chemical weaponry.
It really has no bearing on its usefulness in policing. Same way the Geneva or Hague conventions banned hollow point bullets, but police forces around the world still use hollow points, because hollow points shatter, fragment and tumble after hitting a body or a wall or something and have less of a chance of causing collateral damage via missed shots or overpenetration than a solid core bullet
Does it matter? The police are using several types of tear gas, and people are turning up with long term damage because of it. Clearly it's an issue.
I'll never get why they don't just use water and get everyone's phones wet. -
2020-10-11 at 3:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Meikai There are plenty of group with training. Radical militias, veterans, etc. Americans are better equipped than plenty of people who have picked up arms to fight the US military.
I'll take some quotes out of order here, but you're under some misconceptions:
Plenty of Americans have functioning rocket launchers. What most of them don't have is ammunition. Not an easy situation to remedy, granted, but easier than having neither. I'm like 98% sure functioning rocket launchers/RPGs are completely federally legal to own. The ammunition is considered a destructive device, which means also legal to own…. provided you have the right permits and pay tax stamps.
Literally every American who's worked handling explosives in construction, mining, land management, EOD veterans… I mean the list goes on.
Counter-SIGINT would definitely be an important thing to figure out, but again there are plenty of veterans out there (and let's be real: also active service members) who aren't going to fight on the side of the government during an actual rebellion. There will be people who can teach Americans how to not post about their on-going guerilla operations Twitter. The bolded part though? Yeah. That's a toughy. Form 4473. Congrats to every shitlicking gun control advocate who thought that was a good idea.
This is an interesting point because it kind of just assumes that you would not be receiving similar support today. I was going to mention this earlier but yeah, you'd be getting a helping hand in the form of materiel from foreign powers eventually.
Again, veterans. Plenty of people have these kinds of knowledge and skills and will pass that knowledge and those skills on. Also this would probably be the first kind of aid you got from foreign powers. It's hard to smuggle a tank into the country at the start of a war. It's pretty easy to smuggle in a person with the knowledge you'd need to train an effective fighting force.
That hasn't stopped insurgents across the world, and Americans have the added benefit of being on the same continent and in the same country as the bases those drones are operated from.
Good luck and god speed to any brave American patriot who decides to take up arms to water the tree of liberty once more when that day comes.
big text no thank you -
2020-10-11 at 3:20 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-10-11 at 3:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace It's fucking amazing how nobody cares about this. These are against the Geneva convention. Civilians can't even get these in most (any?) states. How are you supposed to fight back when it's legal for the police to use fucking chemical weapons.
Not to mention the sonar guns.
water is a chemical too.
no one said they cant use water guns against the cops. -
2020-10-12 at 5 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace big text no thank you
Haha he responded to your big text.
TLDR version is America can't even beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers or Afghan goat fuckers. No fucking way they can beat the American hunter.
If America's hunters were counted as a military force, they would dwarf all other military forces in the world, combined.
And guess what? Vast majority of them are conservative, gun touting Trump supporters. They're just as good if not better shots than soldiers. Also, unlike mud skins whom use 7.62x39 caliber weapons, that body armour is rated for, hunters use 30-06 and 300 win mags that'll rip any body armour to shreds to beyond 500 yards. And these fuckers practice those kinds of shots. Many on a weekly basis. For fun.
Hobbyist drone flyers are also highly capable of rigging up explosives to their drones. As has been seen in lots of recent asymmetrical warfare. There's lots of mechanic shops, factories etc. which could easily be setup to produce lots of weaponry and explosives. The amount of custom gun shops alone in the US is astounding. -
2020-10-12 at 12:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Haha he responded to your big text.
TLDR version is America can't even beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers or Afghan goat fuckers. No fucking way they can beat the American hunter.
If America's hunters were counted as a military force, they would dwarf all other military forces in the world, combined.
And guess what? Vast majority of them are conservative, gun touting Trump supporters. They're just as good if not better shots than soldiers. Also, unlike mud skins whom use 7.62x39 caliber weapons, that body armour is rated for, hunters use 30-06 and 300 win mags that'll rip any body armour to shreds to beyond 500 yards. And these fuckers practice those kinds of shots. Many on a weekly basis. For fun.
Hobbyist drone flyers are also highly capable of rigging up explosives to their drones. As has been seen in lots of recent asymmetrical warfare. There's lots of mechanic shops, factories etc. which could easily be setup to produce lots of weaponry and explosives. The amount of custom gun shops alone in the US is astounding.
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2020-10-12 at 3:17 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Haha he responded to your big text.
TLDR version is America can't even beat a bunch of Vietnamese farmers or Afghan goat fuckers. No fucking way they can beat the American hunter.
If America's hunters were counted as a military force, they would dwarf all other military forces in the world, combined.
And guess what? Vast majority of them are conservative, gun touting Trump supporters. They're just as good if not better shots than soldiers. Also, unlike mud skins whom use 7.62x39 caliber weapons, that body armour is rated for, hunters use 30-06 and 300 win mags that'll rip any body armour to shreds to beyond 500 yards. And these fuckers practice those kinds of shots. Many on a weekly basis. For fun.
Hobbyist drone flyers are also highly capable of rigging up explosives to their drones. As has been seen in lots of recent asymmetrical warfare. There's lots of mechanic shops, factories etc. which could easily be setup to produce lots of weaponry and explosives. The amount of custom gun shops alone in the US is astounding.
american hunters can only hunt helpless little animals that couldnt hunt them back just like american military is only good at harrasing and bombing brown peoples childrens' hospitals. -
2020-10-12 at 3:21 PM UTCWedding parties too
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2020-10-12 at 4:26 PM UTCAnyone really think Biden will win, Trump will not stand down, then the military will back Biden vs. the American people who own and operate the vast majority of the guns and who vote for Trump?
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2020-10-12 at 4:29 PM UTCI'm sorry to inform you that Trump will be the very last American President. Storm clouds are brewing. This is End Game, folks.
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2020-10-12 at 4:40 PM UTCThere's a red cloud hanging over us, and it's so big and it's gonna bust
All you people with your heads in the ground
Hey, brother, where you bound?
And they're no good and they're everywhere
Try to tell you, but you just don't care
Yes, I hear you, but you don't make a sound
Hey, brother, where you bound?
And you don't know what they're gonna do, and you don't know how they feel
And you don't know what they're tellin' you, is it a lie or is it real?
And the next thing that you know is that they walk out on the deal
And the message that they're giving you is the same old alibi
If you don't quite see their point of view, then they treat you like a spy
And the phone rings and you disappear in the middle of the night
Can't you see they're on the move?
Don't know what you're trying to prove!
And you sit there, oh, so cool
Like they never broke no rules
And the cat flies and the crow walks, and the ghost dies, and the sow talks
And they tell us that they'll be good as gold, believe nothing that you're told
Hey brother, where's your soul?
Make a move in one direction, try to make some compromise
But they greet you with rejection, makin' out you're tellin' lies
Then they turn around and tell you better get down from the sky
For the sake of all that's holy, listen good to what I say
I can feel them all around me, they could be here any day
But you act like you don't know me
Why'd you look at me that way??
If there's one thing that is clear, we gotta get away from here
We've gotta leave this place, it's just a hopeless case
Ain't no one else to blame, we're gonna lose this game
Hey, brother, get off my back
I gotta tell you, you're way off the track
They got a hatred deep down inside
Ain't gonna let them take me alive
I'm gonna burn them down, just wait and see
Ain't gonna let them walk over me
Boy, you ain't got no heart and soul
And your mind is weak and your blood's runnin' cold
You better move, you better hide
They're gettin' in, they're gettin' inside
If you get caught, you better know
They're gonna reap, you're gonna sow
Don't be a fool, we gotta go
Ain't no place safe for us to stay
We better move on
We better move on -
2020-10-12 at 4:49 PM UTC
Originally posted by Splam Anyone really think Biden will win, Trump will not stand down, then the military will back Biden vs. the American people who own and operate the vast majority of the guns and who vote for Trump?
No it is fan fiction by miserable retards who can never achieve anything in a civil society. -
2020-10-12 at 4:50 PM UTC
