User Controls
Trump admits he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ and worse than the flu while intentionally misleading Americans
-
2020-09-16 at 11:10 AM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 11:25 AM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 11:29 AM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 11:37 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra hold on need to sober up some for proper post
Exclusive: Georgia doctor who forcibly sterilized detained women has been identified
A new lawsuit alleges the doctor performed unwanted hysterectomies on women being detained by ICE.
https://www.prismreports.org/article/2020/9/15/exclusive-georgia-doctor-who-forcibly-sterilized-detained-women-has-been-identified -
2020-09-16 at 1:29 PM UTCPro-Trump group pays teens in secretive online campaign likened to a ‘troll farm’
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/pro-trump-group-pays-teens-to-post-online/ -
2020-09-16 at 2:46 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE You have fallen for the meme Republican redefinition of "hearsay", where anything where a person hears something and then says it is hearsay. As opposed to, you know, a whistleblower collecting reports from within a camp and calling attention to the allegations of abuse.
^ hearsay.Like WHAT, you think some random Mexicans smoked lots of weed and came up with this to scam a nurse? Or like an ICE nurse was just dropping deems that day and got Trump Derangement so she just made some shit up and filed a complaint to the Department of Homeland Security? Or this is the Deep State and Solid Snake orchestrated an operation to have a fake nurse give fake testimony to attack ICE?
Please Aldra tell me what the shit you are on about specifically.
D. all of the above -
2020-09-16 at 3:05 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE Please Aldra tell me what the shit you are on about specifically.
did you read any of that paper?
basically she did interviews with several detainees who claim to have had hysterectomies.
most of them claimed they 'didn't understand' why it needed to be performed, which doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a good reason for it - could be down to language issues or just not having enough of an education to interpret the medical reasoning.Several immigrant women have reported to Project South their concerns about how many
women have received a hysterectomy while detained at ICDC. One woman told Project South in 2019
that Irwin sends many women to see a particular gynecologist outside the facility but that some women
did not trust him.93 She also stated that “a lot of women here go through a hysterectomy” at ICDC.94
More recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained
at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done
the main focal point is that five women had the operation performed in a three month period which I assume is above average, though I have no idea how big the population there is or what the regular rate is.
the interviewer never actually spoke to those women; they're secondhand reports passed on to her from another detained immigrant.
by all means investigate further, but until there's actual hard evidence for it the hysterical comparisons to 'nazi concentration camps' are pretty absurdThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-16 at 3:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Staggering Number of Hysterectomies Happening at ICE Facility, Whistleblower Says. Legit nazi shit. Sterilizing the undesirable.
https://www.businessinsider.com/whistleblower-alleges-mass-hysterectomies-at-ice-detention-center-2020-9
They just want their votes, not their kids. -
2020-09-16 at 8:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra did you read any of that paper?
basically she did interviews with several detainees who claim to have had hysterectomies.
most of them claimed they 'didn't understand' why it needed to be performed, which doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a good reason for it - could be down to language issues or just not having enough of an education to interpret the medical reasoning.
the main focal point is that five women had the operation performed in a three month period which I assume is above average, though I have no idea how big the population there is or what the regular rate is.
the interviewer never actually spoke to those women; they're secondhand reports passed on to her from another detained immigrant.
by all means investigate further, but until there's actual hard evidence for it the hysterical comparisons to 'nazi concentration camps' are pretty absurd
It reported "everyone who sees him gets that operation" and for some reason the guard on the way to the medical center she was going to get s hysterectomy... How did he know that?
Of course your absurd extreme straw man is absurd. That's not the point. -
2020-09-16 at 10:46 PM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 10:51 PM UTCFox News said Trump was 'ambushed' in a town hall where undecided American voters asked him basic questions
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-trump-ambushed-town-hall-voters-asking-basic-questions-2020-9 -
2020-09-16 at 10:56 PM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 11:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE It reported "everyone who sees him gets that operation" and for some reason the guard on the way to the medical center she was going to get s hysterectomy… How did he know that?
Of course your absurd extreme straw man is absurd. That's not the point.
if you were being honest you'd recognise that the only reason this story has become so popular is to essentially draw parallels between the Trump administration and the nazi eugenics program.
"everyone who sees him gets the operation" is just what one of the inmates told the interviewer, almost certainly an exaggeration. without raw data to back it up those claims are somewhat dubious for the reasons I mentioned above.
All I'm saying is that it needs to be investigated further instead of claims of forced sterilisation being used as a political tool, and I'm not really interested in playing your gay semantics games.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-16 at 11:43 PM UTC
-
2020-09-16 at 11:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra if you were being honest you'd recognise that the only reason this story has become so popular is to essentially draw parallels between the Trump administration and the nazi eugenics program.
"everyone who sees him gets the operation" is just what one of the inmates told the interviewer, almost certainly an exaggeration. without raw data to back it up those claims are somewhat dubious for the reasons I mentioned above.
All I'm saying is that it needs to be investigated further instead of claims of forced sterilisation being used as a political tool, and I'm not really interested in playing your gay semantics games.
i doubt interviews took place at all.
its not uncommon for "journalists" to make complete fictional reports out of thin air and immaginary people, especially when trying to verify it is almost impossible.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-17 at 9:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny i doubt interviews took place at all.
its not uncommon for "journalists" to make complete fictional reports out of thin air and immaginary people, especially when trying to verify it is almost impossible.
Or take one character, and make 4 or 5 characters out of them.
The people who believe this shit, and keep falling for it over and over, like Obbe, Falcon, Techno, and Wario, must feel so humiliated and embarrassed. But instead of blaming the liars they blame people who call out the lies. It's the same dynamic as why religious people get angry at atheists. -
2020-09-17 at 10:01 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra if you were being honest you'd recognise that the only reason this story has become so popular is to essentially draw parallels between the Trump administration and the nazi eugenics program.
1. Nice evasion of what I asked.
2. Do you have any actual evidence to this effect, any concrete reasoning, or is this another knee jerk reaction that librul meedja is making fake news?
The answer is you have no reason to believe so, because you are evaluating information based on your emotions."everyone who sees him gets the operation" is just what one of the inmates told the interviewer
Yes this is called a whistleblower reporting an account from a fucking inmate, who has contact with other inmates.almost certainly an exaggeration.
Why? Since when do security guards on a transport vehicle know what medical procedure they are going to receive before they get there?without raw data to back it up those claims are somewhat dubious for the reasons I mentioned above.
What are you expecting, the inmate to Solid Snake through the facility and acquire complete medical records for the facility to give to the nurse? And the nurse is retarded and being fooled? Or lying.
Tell me, be specific.All I'm saying is that it needs to be investigated further instead of claims of forced sterilisation being used as a political tool
This is the straw man I was talking about.
What these reports are doing is reporting inmates accounts of medical, reproductive abuse.
Either the report should be taken seriously as credible and investigated or shouldn't be taken seriously and aren't worth our attention.
What I'm saying, what I'm assuming Obbe is saying, is that there is this serious report of serious misconduct and it needs to be taken seriously.
Whereas you are pulling mental gymnastics to dismiss it out of hand based on bullshit paper thin reasoning, like an Auschwitz inmate would need to bring you full medical data before you believe it wasn't necessary euthanasia for gas pains and a formal complaint can be filed.
What is the "instead of"? Either it's happening and it will reflect on the administration poorly, or it isn't and it won't. Are you saying it's definitively not happening?and I'm not really interested in playing your gay semantics games.
You don't understand what semantics means either I guess. Where did I make a semantic argument?
Plain and simple you are not gonna answer: what do you think happened, do you think the nurse just got Trump Derangement and decided she had enough of being a nurse for ICE because she wanted a book deal for a made up story about mass sterilisation? Is this the deep state? Literally WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-09-17 at 11:33 AM UTC
-
2020-09-17 at 11:34 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
-
2020-09-17 at 12:16 PM UTC
