2020-09-09 at 8:13 AM UTC
Wariat
Marine/Preteen Biologist
I am much more likely to get behind this movement and put my money where the mouth is by even supporting it or being a part of such a comoany like webflow than anna spysz her serverless movement and fans. I thinkthis movement could even out her out or business in terms of making da big bucks. wat u guys fink?
2020-09-09 at 8:35 AM UTC
aldra
JIDF Controlled Opposition
I think you don't really understand what 'serverless' means
2020-09-09 at 11:59 AM UTC
STER0S
Space Nigga
[the disappointingly unanticipated slab]
yeah -- wtf is a 'serverless movement' ?
2020-09-09 at 1:16 PM UTC
shut the fuck up, nigger.
2020-09-09 at 1:38 PM UTC
"no code" is not new - remember dreamweaver?
it's also not a movement, it's a marketing term
2020-09-09 at 7:02 PM UTC
I used to dread "learning to code", but now I realise the code isn't even the hard part of doing IT.
2020-09-09 at 7:03 PM UTC
Also Dreamweaver is still a thing, it sucks. Adobe had another program too for doing web design with almost no "coding", that they shitcanned cos it was terrible.
2020-09-09 at 7:42 PM UTC
Agree with the marketing term thing.
There's a fundamental spectrum of tools to build things with, not just software, that ranges from "very flexible and dependent on operator skill" to "very domain specific and less demanding of operator skill". Like fundamentally to be able to express or actualize many things, a toolset is going to have to have many functions or modes of operation, more possible states, requiring more understanding of it. Conversely if some toolset affords building exactly one thing, or just a few things, there are going to be far fewer failure modes and it's going to be easier to work with.
For example, you can build a lot of things with lumber and some simple tools, but you have to know how to use those tools and build things. An unassembled box from ikea can be used to build just one thing and anyone who's not retarded can read the little sheet of paper and build it.
"Code" is a big chunk of that spectrum spanning from "a little flexible" to "extremely flexible" that a lot of people are scared of for no good reason. WYSIWYG editors and code generators and form builders and spreadsheets are another range of generally less flexible tools that scare people less. But like if you look at these tools, the really robust ones that let you build a good range of stuff can easily end up being just as complicated as the "code" equivalents. Like have you ever looked at a big business report in excel? That shit can get just as complicated as any traditional HLL program. Spreadsheets are cool, and flexible, and as a result they require about as much expertise as writing an equivalent program would. Look at Max/MSP patches, and it becomes obvious that a lot of these really sophisticated/flexible "no code" products involve the same basic process and the same amount of training as their DSL equivalents and are often successful just because they don't look like code and thus don't scare people off as much.
WYSWYG website builder or whatever shouldn't really worry web devs because the second they become sophisticated enough to do the kinds of things web devs get paid for they're going to be complicated and expressive enough that you need to hire someone with the equivalent amount of training to operate them.
