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2020-08-17 at 12:50 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed From the consistent actions of the ROC government. Desperate for any sliver of international recognition. Constantly asking for more advanced weaponry from the US.
Where do you get yours?
oh right, I misread the first post.
What Taiwan wants is irrelevant in this regard - they've always wanted help to try to enforce independence, but there's always been an agreement between the US and China that independence (ie. an independent government) would not openly be recognised.
In losing the ability to create chaos in Hong Kong, the US has turned to Taiwan to cause problems for China (specifically Chinese claims). Several low-level diplomats have recently been sent there for no real reason except to show China they're open to recognising Taiwanese independence -
2020-08-17 at 1:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra oh right, I misread the first post.
What Taiwan wants is irrelevant in this regard - they've always wanted help to try to enforce independence, but there's always been an agreement between the US and China that independence (ie. an independent government) would not openly be recognised.
In losing the ability to create chaos in Hong Kong, the US has turned to Taiwan to cause problems for China (specifically Chinese claims). Several low-level diplomats have recently been sent there for no real reason except to show China they're open to recognising Taiwanese independence
Taiwanese independence has nothing to do with independence from Communist China. They already are, and their leaders have repeatedly stated this. Communist China has zero jurisdiction there. They're not even allowed to visit with their own passport.
Taiwanese independence is about a new nation called 'Taiwan' being independent from the ROC. Which at this point is a somewhat fringe position, the majority of people tend to think ROC = Taiwan at this point. Even the current administration - which was traditionally taiwan independence leaning - will often say things like "Republic of China Taiwan" when giving speeches.
Basically, the ROC is already independent, and is universally called 'Taiwan'. Taiwan independence is independence from the ROC, not from the PRC, which is irrelevant. -
2020-08-17 at 1:15 AM UTCAs for the recent diplomatic visit, that was the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services. It was the highest level visit to Taiwan since the US broke relations.
It also didn't come during a vacuum. Since trump won the election, Taiwan has been treated more and more like a diplomatic ally
- President Elect Trump accepting a congratulatory phone call from the ROC President
- Taiwan Travel Act a couple of years back, which paved the way for this previous visit
- ROC President visiting NASA and being allowed to bring her own press
- The US admitting it has Marines stationed in Americas enormous de-facto embassy/compound in Taipei
- US army releasing footage of Green Berets training in Taiwan, with Taiwanese troops, and ROCAF helicopters
- US navy 'research vessels' now frequently appearing in Taiwans harbour
There's speculation that the US is inching its way towards dual recognition. -
2020-08-17 at 1:26 AM UTCTaiwan will be recognized by the US during Trump's second term.
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2020-08-17 at 1:39 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Taiwanese independence has nothing to do with independence from Communist China. They already are, and their leaders have repeatedly stated this. Communist China has zero jurisdiction there. They're not even allowed to visit with their own passport.
Taiwanese independence is about a new nation called 'Taiwan' being independent from the ROC. Which at this point is a somewhat fringe position, the majority of people tend to think ROC = Taiwan at this point. Even the current administration - which was traditionally taiwan independence leaning - will often say things like "Republic of China Taiwan" when giving speeches.
Basically, the ROC is already independent, and is universally called 'Taiwan'. Taiwan independence is independence from the ROC, not from the PRC, which is irrelevant.
My understanding is that the Commies and the Kuomintang fought for mainland China.
The Kuomintang were losing, so retreated to the island province of Taiwan, alongside the locals.
The Commies and the Kuomintang both regard themselves as being the rightful leaders into the future of all China, including Taiwan. Yet neither talk to each other.
Eventually the Commies gave up the principles of communism, which include Marxism, dialectical materialism, and starvation, and adopt basically Kuomintang policies, like nationalism, ethnocentrism, and eating food.
Now there are basically two parties which are more or less identical as the result of convergent evolution, both claiming jurisdiction over all of China, including the province of Taiwan, but with different leaders and personalities.
If I was Taiwanese I wouldn't trust Beijing, and if I was Beijing I sure as hell wouldn't see why I should cuck to the rogue province of Taiwan.
And worst of all, if they ever start to cooperate the powers that be (America and Israel) will incentivise them to fight.
Bad situation. -
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2020-08-17 at 1:59 AM UTCsoy, you seem to be a little distraught lately. Has there been any big shift in your life?
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2020-08-17 at 2:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo soy, you seem to be a little distraught lately. Has there been any big shift in your life?
I'm haven't changed at all as far as I am aware.
Society has changed very rapidly over the previous few months. Since you are deeply involved in society, while I am deeply disconnected, it may appear like I have changed, in the same way that it appears that a star crosses the sky over the course of a night. However I am the same as I ever was. The only thing that has changed has been your perspective. -
2020-08-17 at 2:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting My understanding is that the Commies and the Kuomintang fought for mainland China.
The Kuomintang were losing, so retreated to the island province of Taiwan, alongside the locals.
The Commies and the Kuomintang both regard themselves as being the rightful leaders into the future of all China, including Taiwan. Yet neither talk to each other.
Eventually the Commies gave up the principles of communism, which include Marxism, dialectical materialism, and starvation, and adopt basically Kuomintang policies, like nationalism, ethnocentrism, and eating food.
Now there are basically two parties which are more or less identical as the result of convergent evolution, both claiming jurisdiction over all of China, including the province of Taiwan, but with different leaders and personalities.
If I was Taiwanese I wouldn't trust Beijing, and if I was Beijing I sure as hell wouldn't see why I should cuck to the rogue province of Taiwan.
And worst of all, if they ever start to cooperate the powers that be (America and Israel) will incentivise them to fight.
Bad situation.
One big thing I'll point out is that Taiwan isn't KMT ruled anymore. They've had a two party system since the early 90s. KMT was absolutely trounced last election.
Another big thing is the KMT has changed radically. Back in the 80s they had an official policy of not communicating with China at all. Now they are the only party that communicates with China, the CCP refuses to talk to the DPP. The KMT went from "no dialogue with communist bandits" to having lots of hand-shaking closed door meetings. They positioned themselves as the party who could co-exist with china and deal with them to keep trade and business flowing. They're also a socialist party popular with boomers, angry at having their unsustainable pensions slashed. KMT is really a very socialist party, it has a Leninist structure, and employed armies of civil servants.
But to be frank the real reason Taiwan is even important to the US that they want to deny the chinese an easily fortifiable Island which lets them more easily threaten Japan, Guam etc. Check out how deep the waters off the eastern coast of Taiwan are on google maps, compared to how shallow the Taiwan strait is. An excellent submarine launching point, unlike all the shallow waters the PRC actually has access to.
Taiwan is such a beautiful country - well except for parts where people are able to build their ugly, ugly towns. Which is almost everywhere except steep hills. -
2020-08-17 at 2:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed One big thing I'll point out is that Taiwan isn't KMT ruled anymore. They've had a two party system since the early 90s. KMT was absolutely trounced last election.
Another big thing is the KMT has changed radically. Back in the 80s they had an official policy of not communicating with China at all. Now they are the only party that communicates with China, the CCP refuses to talk to the DPP. The KMT went from "no dialogue with communist bandits" to having lots of hand-shaking closed door meetings. They positioned themselves as the party who could co-exist with china and deal with them to keep trade and business flowing. They're also a socialist party popular with boomers, angry at having their unsustainable pensions slashed. KMT is really a very socialist party, it has a Leninist structure, and employed armies of civil servants.
But to be frank the real reason Taiwan is even important to the US that they want to deny the chinese an easily fortifiable Island which lets them more easily threaten Japan, Guam etc. Check out how deep the waters off the eastern coast of Taiwan are on google maps, compared to how shallow the Taiwan strait is. An excellent submarine launching point, unlike all the shallow waters the PRC actually has access to.
Thoughts about geopolitics devolves easily into Guns, Germs and Steel style thoughts about submarine launching points. -
2020-08-17 at 2:22 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I'm haven't changed at all as far as I am aware.
Nope, you've definitely chamged. Change is universal.
Society has changed very rapidly over the previous few months. Since you are deeply involved in society, while I am deeply disconnected, it may appear like I have changed, in the same way that it appears that a star crosses the sky over the course of a night. However I am the same as I ever was. The only thing that has changed has been your perspective. -
2020-08-17 at 2:24 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I'm haven't changed at all as far as I am aware.
Society has changed very rapidly over the previous few months. Since you are deeply involved in society, while I am deeply disconnected, it may appear like I have changed, in the same way that it appears that a star crosses the sky over the course of a night. However I am the same as I ever was. The only thing that has changed has been your perspective.
well, that's just it, it appears your perspective has changed a bit but it could just be that you are more vocal about it. It seemed before you had a more nuanced take on society but lately it seems more akin to the narrative that conservative "alt right" types tend to espouse. The language you use seems more charged and divisive as well. Just sometimes when there is a war inside your head it extrapolates itself unto the world.
Also, side note: someone close to me is close with a member of a very rich taiwanese family who are very involved in the independence movement. They vacation in Cuba every year and boycott countries that aren't sympathetic to their cause. They have a big conferance every year with the richest Taiwanese expats and for some reason this usually takes place in Turkey. Idk why Turkey is so sympathetic but the apparent worldwide headquarters is in Turkey -
2020-08-17 at 2:24 AM UTC
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2020-08-17 at 2:30 AM UTC
Originally posted by Sudo well, that's just it, it appears your perspective has changed a bit but it could just be that you are more vocal about it. It seemed before you had a more nuanced take on society but lately it seems more akin to the narrative that conservative "alt right" types tend to espouse. The language you use seems more charged and divisive as well. Just sometimes when there is a war inside your head it extrapolates itself unto the world.
That's probably a fair observation. I haven't noticed it myself, but I don't doubt you. I suppose it's largely due to the riots in America and in those countries where America has soft power influence. I suppose this trend will just increase as we lead up to November. We are being punished by the elite, who feel betrayed by populism. -
2020-08-17 at 2:34 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I'm haven't changed at all as far as I am aware.
Society has changed very rapidly over the previous few months. Since you are deeply involved in society, while I am deeply disconnected, it may appear like I have changed, in the same way that it appears that a star crosses the sky over the course of a night. However I am the same as I ever was. The only thing that has changed has been your perspective.
You ooze weak faggotry -
2020-08-17 at 2:38 AM UTC
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2020-08-17 at 2:39 AM UTC
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2020-08-17 at 2:40 AM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-08-17 at 2:40 AM UTC
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2020-08-17 at 3 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting Thoughts about geopolitics devolves easily into Guns, Germs and Steel style thoughts about submarine launching points.
Well I mean there's a reason Crimea was annexed while the Donbass et al were left to flounder.
FWIW I don't fully align with the US position on Ukraine. I tend to think that the tension with Russia is counter-productive and that they're a fairly rational actor, unlike China.
