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When are we going to have guns that don't require gunpowder and cases?
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2020-07-29 at 1:47 AM UTCok Calm down
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2020-07-29 at 2:18 AM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 6:08 AM UTChttps://gazette.com/military/army-might-have-found-its-new-rifle-in-colorado-springs-garage/article_96cd214c-c290-11e8-9d41-27b5a0e767a4.html
this is it but it has too many inherent design flaws to work. -
2020-07-29 at 6:13 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lyube https://gazette.com/military/army-might-have-found-its-new-rifle-in-colorado-springs-garage/article_96cd214c-c290-11e8-9d41-27b5a0e767a4.html
this is it but it has too many inherent design flaws to work.
too many points of failure with the electronic systems. The Metal Storm designs were similar but I think the reason why they weren't pursued is because the special munitions and electronic firing systems introduce too many points of failure that aren't reliable enough for the battlefield
also it looks like his cartridges only stack one round per barrel, ie. 4-5 round magazine -
2020-07-29 at 6:43 AM UTCLots of people making their own electromagnetic rail guns.
If battery technology improves, it'll become viable.
Imagine they optimize a battery 100x. Which isn't impossible. Think someday we only had 10MB hard drives.
This could also be used for cars etc. With proper battery technology, there's no limits to what we can achieve.
Air rifles have been around for centuries. Lewis and Clark used one. Very cool technology for it's time.
The next development in rifle technology will come from higher pressured chambers and increased metallurgy. It'll allow the use of super high powered propellants, decreasing amount of weight carried significantly in powder and brass. Imagine a .22 LR rifle with the power of a .223. Or a .308 style rifle with the power of a .50 cal. -
2020-07-29 at 6:50 AM UTCCaseless ammunition is a perpetual boondoggle. I'm not going to say "it's not gonna happen" because it has happened a few times, but no government is ever going to adopt it and invest the time and money required to make it as reliable and cost effective as what's currently available.
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2020-07-29 at 6:22 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS Caseless ammunition is a perpetual boondoggle. I'm not going to say "it's not gonna happen" because it has happened a few times, but no government is ever going to adopt it and invest the time and money required to make it as reliable and cost effective as what's currently available.
Did your highlighter research lead you to this expert opinion? -
2020-07-29 at 6:25 PM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 7:33 PM UTC
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2020-07-29 at 11:04 PM UTC
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2020-07-30 at 7:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by Speedy Parker Did your highlighter research lead you to this expert opinion?
The AR and AK platforms and the ammunition they use have been developed and iterated upon for 6+ decades. Developing caseless ammunition and a weapons system that can use it to its full potential would cost a fuckton, and obsolete every rifle in every armory of any military that adopted it (as well as necessitating entirely new supply chains that wouldn't benefit from the well established existing ones). The weight concerns of conventional ammunition are cheaper and easier to mitigate by increasing the carrying capacity of soldiers. Caseless ammunition is possible, it's been done, but the benefits have never (and probably will never) outweigh the cost of adopting it as the new standard for any government.
If you think I'm wrong feel free to tell me why though you snarky old shit. -
2020-07-30 at 7:09 AM UTCThe main issue with caseless munitions is tolerances. Mixes have to be exactly right in order to not foul the barrel and chamber - regular bullet casings contain any muck and unburnt powder and are discarded. That and the munitions themselves aren't protected by a casing when not in use, meaning they're a lot less resistant to elements and shock. And I guess the majority of soldiers are like minimum wage workers; you can't expect them all to be able to maintain their weapons if it's more complicated than snapping them apart and brushing gunk out.
It all comes down to reliability really; the HK-G11 is extremely effective and was developed way back in the late 60s -
2020-07-30 at 7:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra It all comes down to reliability really; the HK-G11 is extremely effective and was developed way back in the late 60s
Kraut space magic didn't get adopted and it's like the gold standard of caseless ammunition. The US government will adopt robotic pack animals to haul more conventional ammunition before they adopt caseless. *shrug* -
2020-07-30 at 2:19 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS The AR and AK platforms and the ammunition they use have been developed and iterated upon for 6+ decades. Developing caseless ammunition and a weapons system that can use it to its full potential would cost a fuckton, and obsolete every rifle in every armory of any military that adopted it (as well as necessitating entirely new supply chains that wouldn't benefit from the well established existing ones). The weight concerns of conventional ammunition are cheaper and easier to mitigate by increasing the carrying capacity of soldiers. Caseless ammunition is possible, it's been done, but the benefits have never (and probably will never) outweigh the cost of adopting it as the new standard for any government.
If you think I'm wrong feel free to tell me why though you snarky old shit.
The black powder muzzle loader was spoken of the same way by other morons in past centuries. Fortunately smart people ignored them. -
2020-07-30 at 2:44 PM UTC
Originally posted by HTS Kraut space magic didn't get adopted and it's like the gold standard of caseless ammunition. The US government will adopt robotic pack animals to haul more conventional ammunition before they adopt caseless. *shrug*
Why not just go full Space Marine? Even if only 1 in 10,000 survive the gene splicing it'll still be awesome.
We also need chainsaws to start being used on the battlefield.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-08-03 at 8:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra too many points of failure with the electronic systems. The Metal Storm designs were similar but I think the reason why they weren't pursued is because the special munitions and electronic firing systems introduce too many points of failure that aren't reliable enough for the battlefield
also it looks like his cartridges only stack one round per barrel, ie. 4-5 round magazine
metal storm goes prrrr -
2020-08-04 at 5:31 AM UTCWhat people often also forget it's of no importance to the militaries. In an actual all out conflict, the rifles do a miniscule amount of the killing. It goes rifle - machine gun - mortar - cannon - howitzer - tank - airplane - missile. You want to invest in missiles, rifles are the last of your worries.
It's also impossible to replace on what has naturally evolved over the centuries. The only place this would have use would be a high end untraceable assassins weapon or something. Maybe in a James Bond movie.
