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2020-07-28 at 12:38 AM UTCI'm listening to a really good podcast about the book "Rise and Kill First".
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Kill-First-Targeted-Assassinations/dp/1400069718
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2020-07-28 at 12:40 AM UTCMongolia engaged in bi-lateral trade talks with Singapore, concerning China's meddling in the South China Sea.
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2020-07-28 at 12:47 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I don't believe the US and China are anywhere close to war. The US doesn't have any quarrel with China.
I think there could absolutely be an 'altercation' with China, but both sides would rapidly scramble to de-escalate. It's really in no ones interest to have a war.
China is smart enough to respect its position is the distant number 2 world power and the no. 2 military power in the Western pacific. It may not like it, but them's the breaks. It really should worry less about the United States and more about India - people are totally sleeping on India, but their economic growth has been remarkable, they have a lot of english speakers, they form the wealthiest immigrant group in the US, and they are 10 times better at diplomacy than China is. -
2020-07-28 at 12:54 AM UTCThere absolutely will be altercations between China and America as America declines, same way as there were altercations between America and Britain as Britain was declining in imperial stature.
And there will be economic and political crises in China as China ascends, just the same way as America had economic and political crises as it ascended.
But 50 years from now who runs the world? Not even in question - China. -
2020-07-28 at 12:57 AM UTCChina ascending?
You really don't follow China closely anymore, do you? It's not 2010. They're already clearly peaking, if they haven't already. They can bully their neighbours with their previous-generation Russian hardware, absolutely. But China as the dominant super power sounds laughable in 2020. -
2020-07-28 at 12:58 AM UTCIn 50 years, I'd put India ahead of China.
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2020-07-28 at 1:07 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed China ascending?
You really don't follow China closely anymore, do you? It's not 2010. They're already clearly peaking, if they haven't already. They can bully their neighbours with their previous-generation Russian hardware, absolutely. But China as the dominant super power sounds laughable in 2020.
That sounds an awful lot like the US trying to come to terms with its own impending irrelevance. China's hit a slump in its growth, but that's why it's going to such efforts to open up and develop the Eurasian markets. The US has no such long-term plans aside from attempting to maintain the status quo, but in doing so it's become so openly hostile even to its so-called allies that even much of the Eurozone is seeking alternatives. -
2020-07-28 at 1:12 AM UTCThe diplomacy of the United States is leagues ahead of Chinese diplomacy, even with a Trump administration. The EU has not grown closer to China - in fact just the opposite. Even Australia is growing more distant with China. "Diversifying supply chains" (read: getting our shit the fuck out of China) has been a standard topic in international business for years, and the Wuhan virus has only added fuel to this fire.
Also be realistic - the EU still cannot defend itself, and relies on the US military.
People are desperate to see the US supplanted as the global power. But power and influence doesn't follow perfectly sinusoidal arcs. There simply are no viable alternatives. -
2020-07-28 at 1:20 AM UTC
Originally posted by MORALLY SUPERIOR BEING 2020 IV: Intravenous Soyposting I don't believe the US and China are anywhere close to war. The US doesn't have any quarrel with China.
China and the US are struggling for economic dominance, and historically this is very quick to turn to kinetic war. The US is both waning in economic power and has a significant advantage in military power which is a very dangerous combination - if they feel they're losing economically they're likely to refocus the competition to a field they feel they can win at.
Originally posted by rabbitweed China is smart enough to respect its position is the distant number 2 world power and the no. 2 military power in the Western pacific. It may not like it, but them's the breaks. It really should worry less about the United States and more about India - people are totally sleeping on India, but their economic growth has been remarkable, they have a lot of english speakers, they form the wealthiest immigrant group in the US, and they are 10 times better at diplomacy than China is.
In the case of the South China Sea, conflict would likely be decided by attrition - both parties have the capability to inflict serious casualties on the other, and 'victory' would depend on which side is able to take more. The US has a powerful navy and superior logistics, but China is fully capable of fielding hypersonic ASBMs and their DF-21b in the region.
The 'freedom of navigation' exercises are especially reckless because while the goal appears to be normalising transit through regions that China claims as their EEZ, but if China responds directly escalation will be completely unpredictable and US standoff weapons and air power will not be able to comfortably attack and expect not to take losses, like every other 'war' they've participated in in the last 20 years. -
2020-07-28 at 1:29 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed The diplomacy of the United States is leagues ahead of Chinese diplomacy, even with a Trump administration. The EU has not grown closer to China - in fact just the opposite. Even Australia is growing more distant with China.
I don't see how you could rate US diplomacy as 'better' considering it is literally nothing but threats anymore. Further they keep breaking agreements they themselves have negotiated; if it weren't for their dominant bargaining position they'd be considered completely untrustworthy. The Russians have a word for the US that translates roughly to 'non-agreement-capable' which pretty much outlines their understanding of US diplomacy.
The EU has slowly been growing closer to Russia, which is the counterpart to China.
Originally posted by rabbitweed "Diversifying supply chains" (read: getting our shit the fuck out of China) has been a standard topic in international business for years, and the Wuhan virus has only added fuel to this fire.
Yeah, nobody else has the capacity though. The takeaway here is that if the US loses economic dominance to China, the entire west declines and Eurasia ascends. We're all integrated into this system that appears to be failing at multiple points.
Originally posted by rabbitweed Also be realistic - the EU still cannot defend itself, and relies on the US military.
Well, yeah, Germany's literally under military occupation. Even they are rejecting US demands to buy US instead of Russian gas though. Who do you think they need to defend themselves from, presently? -
2020-07-28 at 4:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed In 50 years, I'd put India ahead of China.
they wont until the learnt how to stop shitting in the street. india will never amount to anything and the premise for this is simple.
race.
5000 years of modern history and they have yet to produce, mass or otherwise, anything significant by themselves natively. 5000 years of modern history and they still enjoy their meals by sitting on the floors and transporting their foods on banana leaves to their mouth via their hands, just like their ape ancesstord did 50k years ago.
to say india will be the future is like saying mexhico will be future automotive superpower based on the numbers of foreign car factories in that country. no, they wont because their race prevented them from achieving just that.
race uber all.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-28 at 4:27 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra China and the US are struggling for economic dominance, and historically this is very quick to turn to kinetic war. The US is both waning in economic power and has a significant advantage in military power which is a very dangerous combination - if they feel they're losing economically they're likely to refocus the competition to a field they feel they can win at.
its not all about economics, theres a heavy, stealthy undertones of RACE at play in current US-China drama.
what will play out will be exactly how it played out during the century of humiliation, its all about the West Vs Chine. and eventually it will ended up with G7+japan amd the only question left will be whether china can withstand the western conquest this century.
the desire to force chinese to buy western opium with their gold amd silver will always remain. but instead of actual opium these days its tech and "intellectual properties". -
2020-07-28 at 5:46 AM UTCMedian ho
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny
they wont until the learnt how to stop shitting in the street. india will never amount to anything and the premise for this is simple.
race.
5000 years of modern history and they have yet to produce, mass or otherwise, anything significant by themselves natively. 5000 years of modern history and they still enjoy their meals by sitting on the floors and transporting their foods on banana leaves to their mouth via their hands, just like their ape ancesstord did 50k years ago.
to say india will be the future is like saying mexhico will be future automotive superpower based on the numbers of foreign car factories in that country. no, they wont because their race prevented them from achieving just that.
race uber all.
Median household income of Indian Americans: $119,858
Median household income of Chinese Americans: $81,487
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2020-07-28 at 5:52 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra I don't see how you could rate US diplomacy as 'better' considering it is literally nothing but threats anymore. Further they keep breaking agreements they themselves have negotiated; if it weren't for their dominant bargaining position they'd be considered completely untrustworthy. The Russians have a word for the US that translates roughly to 'non-agreement-capable' which pretty much outlines their understanding of US diplomacy.
You're putting a microscope on US diplomacy while glossing over Chinese diplomacy completely.
Look at the basics - China has un-resolved territorial disputes with all its neighbours. The United States does not. The USA isn't involved in deadly border skirmishes with Canada or Mexico.
Originally posted by aldra The EU has slowly been growing closer to Russia, which is the counterpart to China.
The Russia/China relationship is one of convenience. It's also not nearly as close as its made out to be - it's not a military alliance. You'll note that the Russian federation always makes sure it has a military hardware edge over the Chinese and does not sell its freshest stuff.
Originally posted by aldra Yeah, nobody else has the capacity though. The takeaway here is that if the US loses economic dominance to China, the entire west declines and Eurasia ascends. We're all integrated into this system that appears to be failing at multiple points.
The trade war has hurt China far more than the west. Let's face it, most of the capacity in China came from Taiwanese and Japanese business men setting up shop there when they opened up. While no one country can replace China, all countries can rely less on China, and manufacturing is moving not only back to more expensive countries (like Taiwan) but is flowing rapidly to cheaper countries (India and Vietnam). It won't happen overnight, but the trend is clear.
Originally posted by aldra Well, yeah, Germany's literally under military occupation. Even they are rejecting US demands to buy US instead of Russian gas though. Who do you think they need to defend themselves from, presently?
Poland and the Baltic states feel they need to defend themselves from Russia. The EU is unable or willing to provide the deterrence they want. Completely reliant on the US.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-28 at 6 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra In the case of the South China Sea, conflict would likely be decided by attrition - both parties have the capability to inflict serious casualties on the other, and 'victory' would depend on which side is able to take more. The US has a powerful navy and superior logistics, but China is fully capable of fielding hypersonic ASBMs and their DF-21b in the region.
A war of attrition? You're nuts. Nuclear powered countries with huge armies are terrified of each other. There's a reason India and China are both manning their borders with firearmless troops. And why both immediately took steps to de-escalate.
Changes in status quo will happen through fait-accomplis, what happened with the artificial islands in the SCS, or US Green Berets now training openly in Taiwan.
Originally posted by aldra The 'freedom of navigation' exercises are especially reckless because while the goal appears to be normalising transit through regions that China claims as their EEZ, but if China responds directly escalation will be completely unpredictable and US standoff weapons and air power will not be able to comfortably attack and expect not to take losses, like every other 'war' they've participated in in the last 20 years.
FONOPs are not at all reckless and you don't need the scare quotes - the USN is sailing through international waters, despite what the PRC may claim. China would be insane to cause an incident over it. If you think PLN control over those waters wouldn't be a disaster, you're naive. They would absolutely impose blockades when other nations upset them (there'd be a cover of course, in the usual chinese passive aggressive way - "we need to quarantine these ships due to irregularities" etc etc).
Anyway the fact the US sends one or two ships to sail right off Chinas coast shows how absurdly confident the US is about prevailing in a western pacific naval conflict - or rather how confident they are that China would never provoke one.
(Christ. Is this what it was like talking to people who thought Japan would take over the world in the 80s?) -
2020-07-28 at 6:06 AM UTC
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2020-07-28 at 6:41 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed A war of attrition? You're nuts. Nuclear powered countries with huge armies are terrified of each other. There's a reason India and China are both manning their borders with firearmless troops. And why both immediately took steps to de-escalate.
Read about escalation control and escalation dominance. What options does the US have to challenge Chinese control of the SCS without putting ships within range of Chinese ASBMs? The goal would be to destroy the artificial islands or launch sites before the carrier group eats it. It's unlikely either side would be willing to escalate to nuclear or open different fronts, at least at first, to keep fighting contained.FONOPs are not at all reckless and you don't need the scare quotes - the USN is sailing through international waters, despite what the PRC may claim. China would be insane to cause an incident over it. If you think PLN control over those waters wouldn't be a disaster, you're naive. They would absolutely impose blockades when other nations upset them (there'd be a cover of course, in the usual chinese passive aggressive way - "we need to quarantine these ships due to irregularities" etc etc).
Anyway the fact the US sends one or two ships to sail right off Chinas coast shows how absurdly confident the US is about prevailing in a western pacific naval conflict - or rather how confident they are that China would never provoke one.
(Christ. Is this what it was like talking to people who thought Japan would take over the world in the 80s?)
The SCS conflicts are by definition unresolved, and while they're unwilling to cede control, China is at least willing to negotiate on concessions. Most of the other parties only care about fishing and transit rights, and the US has actively torpedoed many of those agreements because it does not suit their agenda. To say China will tolerate those sail-bys indefinitely is to understate how important the SCS is to Chinese policy. To call the US position 'absurdly confident' in this situation underlines how reckless it is.
I'm on my phone at the moment so I can' t keep track of quotes, but I'll also add that you're deeply misguided about the depth of Chinese-Russian relations. Western media typically understates their ties due to the US/UK's retarded attempts to 'drive a wedge between them' so I'd recommend reading Russian/Chinese media on the matter.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-28 at 9:33 AM UTCChina and Russia side with the State of that fucking cock nose as an EU buffer state
Originally posted by Japan-Is-Eternal Something I want to do but won't because I am extremely hygienic is shit and piss myself at the same time.
I want to stand there and let it all go, not worry about anything just free my bowels and soil myself.
Of course I would do this in some pants and underwear I plan on throwing away.
Anybody here into shitting themselves?
Maybe I should try diapers but I think it wouldn't feel the same as shitting in normal clothing.
Another thing.
I want to shit and urinate on someone.
BUT the feeling is not mutual, I don't want to be shat and pissed on.
Originally posted by Hikikomori-Fujoshi >tfw no 7yo shota boy toy to fondle while playing ps2
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood The independent state of that fucking cock nose is a real life micro nation. Who wants to join our glorious state and become a that fucking cock nose nationalist.
Originally posted by the man who put it in my hood Our cock nose strong and free 🐓 👃
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2020-07-28 at 11:06 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed Median ho
Median household income of Indian Americans: $119,858
Median household income of Chinese Americans: $81,487
sauce
that only proves two things :
1 - Affirmative Action. systemic racism in the US caused many of the top fortune 500 companies to favor indian CEOs because they look black but dont behave like niggers.
https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2019/06/02/top-6-indian-american-ceos-437869/
and i cant remember the name of that street shitter who killed net neutrality.
2 - gross income inequility amongst americans of indian descent. there are less india-indian americans than there are chinese-americans.
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2020-07-28 at 11:14 AM UTC
Originally posted by rabbitweed You're putting a microscope on US diplomacy while glossing over Chinese diplomacy completely.
Look at the basics - China has un-resolved territorial disputes with all its neighbours. The United States does not. The USA isn't involved in deadly border skirmishes with Canada or Mexico.
china doesnt have a 19yo war in afghan and iraq, a 7yo meddling in syria, and an extra marrital affair in cuba with worse than hong-kong style 'national security' laws.
china just want to trade and sell cheap stuffs.
the US will rape you until you love it.
