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Trump knew since March 2019 that Russia was paying Afghani terrorists to kill US soldiers
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2020-07-02 at 10:13 AM UTC
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2020-07-02 at 11:43 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Too often you let your feelings override your critical thinking.
I thought about this and the first thing you say I’m using my emotions. Funny thing I’ve only seen men say that to the women on here. Pretty misogynistic.
Secondly my emotions are not involved in reading our intelligence agencies assessment.
Now who do I believe? A Putin lover who admits he doesn’t like the USA, or my intelligence agencies? Hmmmm tough decision😂 -
2020-07-02 at 11:56 AM UTCWhite House officials said at first that President Trump was never briefed on the matter, but it emerged that the intelligence assessment was included in a written briefing to the president in late February.
Bolton says he personally briefed Trump on this in 2019.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/asia/afghan-russia-bounty-middleman.html
There are a handful of reasons why journalists are personally offended by the fake news movement. And this the biggest one. To go through the trouble of finding a dozen reliable sources that corroborate your story, only to be lazily brushed off by some morbidly obese fascist with two words, is infuriating. -
2020-07-02 at 11:58 AM UTC"Unnamed officials". Where have we heard that before?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2020-07-02 at 12:04 PM UTCExcellent reporting by the Times. No other press outlet has the contacts, resources and determination to advance and detail a story like this.
Trump’s denials are predictable, of course. And by now his in-house enablers instinctively circle the wagons. There is no level of corruption or cowardice to which he will not descend. What will it take for his Republican Senate enablers to finally draw the line?
And will they continue to do all they can to suppress the November vote - in order to perpetuate this corrosive and insidious fraud on the American people?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-02 at 12:14 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Excellent reporting by the Times. No other press outlet has the contacts, resources and determination to advance and detail a story like this.
Trump’s denials are predictable, of course. And by now his in-house enablers instinctively circle the wagons. There is no level of corruption or cowardice to which he will not descend. What will it take for his Republican Senate enablers to finally draw the line?
And will they continue to do all they can to suppress the November vote - in order to perpetuate this corrosive and insidious fraud on the American people?
The New York Times swore on a stack on bibles for TWO AND A HALF YEARS that Trump was an agent of the Kremlin, but Mueller (a Democrat) and 17 angry Democrats say that was a lie. And you trust the New York Times? A paper that knowingly lied to us all for almost three years straight, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week?
And they got a Pulitzer for that fake story. -
2020-07-02 at 12:24 PM UTCThe real question is, why is this even surprising? I would be more surprised if Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Assad, and Maduro aren't putting bounty on our soldiers. In geopolitics, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ideologies don't matter. We literally did the exact same thing to the Russians in the 1980s (i.e. paid Talibans or their Islamist predecessors to kill Soviet soldiers) during a time when we were officially having a "rapprochement" with Gorbachev. We then repeated this same playbook against Russia in Chechnya after the fall of the Soviet Union, especially after the secular nationalist Chechen leader Dzhokhar Dudayev was assassinated by the Russians in 1996 and Chechen independent movement turned into a jihadist cause. Frankly, the smart play against China now is to instigate a Sunni Islamic jihad against China in East Turkestan in collaboration with Turkey and Saudi Arabia by highlighting China's inhumane treatment against their pan-Turkish Uyghur minority, which seems to be happening right now. Muslims' religious fervor has been exploited by great powers throughout history. Sure, it often leads to "blowbacks," but it won't stop great powers from exploiting them in order to avoid putting "boots on the ground" in proxy wars.
Don't forget, we were the ones (in close collaboration with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) that created the relationship between local Afghan Islamists (Talibans and other factions such as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Ahmad Shah Massoud) and foreign (predominantly Arabic) "Mujahideen" aka "freedom fighters" (including Osama bin Laden), which ultimately led to 9/11. The goal was to make Afghanistan the Soviets' Vietnam. The al-Saud family never had a problem importing their brand of "Salafist" Islamism aboard (their beef is with the Muslim Brotherhood and Shia Iran) while Pakistan's dictator Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq needed to curry favor with us after he carried out the internationally condemned execution of the democratically elected former Pakistani President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in 1979. He was able to accomplish that to great effect through the help of Texan socialite Joanne Herring, a donor and pal of hard-partying Texan Congressman Charlie Wilson, who had a great relationship with intelligence agencies. The Talibans were a ragtag group of Islamist thugs put together by Pakistani's intelligence ISI in order to prevent India's influence in Afghanistan. They literally came out of nowhere in the mid-90s to overrun established militias/warlords, such as Hekmatyar, Massoud, and Dostum. At the time, the Soviets were fruitlessly propping up an unpopular secular communist puppet regime (China had their own design in Afghanistan in the '70s, but their Maoist faction was outmaneuvered and marginalized by the Soviet-backed Marxist-Leninst faction. This was during Sino-Soviet split and our rapprochement with Red China). After Soviet Union collapsed, the support stopped and the communist regime fell in 1992. The last president of the communist regime, Mohammad Najibullah, hid in the UN compound in Kabul for 4 years. When the Talibans overran Kabul in 1996, they brutally tortured him and his brother to death, castrated them, and hung their bodies on traffic poles. Read "Charlie Wilson's War" for more details about this dark history. By the late '90s, Russia had pivoted to supporting the so-called "Northern Alliance", led by Massoud, against the Taliban. Massoud himself was assassinated the very day before 9/11. Otherwise, him, not Hamid Karzai, would've been the obvious choice to lead Afghanistan post-US invasion.
If Trump knew about this since March, why hasn't he done anything about it? Oh, right, golf.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-02 at 12:32 PM UTCOn my way home last night I saw a huge sign in someone’s yard that said Trump’s a Moron.
I got a kick out of it😂😂😂😂 -
2020-07-02 at 12:40 PM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist I thought about this and the first thing you say I’m using my emotions. Funny thing I’ve only seen men say that to the women on here. Pretty misogynistic.
Considering you fell for the 'Russiagate' hoax and learned nothing, I think it's a fair assessment that you're allowing your distaste for Trump to prevent you from looking at this analytically.
Originally posted by Technologist Secondly my emotions are not involved in reading our intelligence agencies assessment.
Now who do I believe? A Putin lover who admits he doesn’t like the USA, or my intelligence agencies? Hmmmm tough decision😂
Case in point. The same intelligence agencies that lied you into every foreign war of the last 20 years.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-02 at 12:43 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe Bolton says he personally briefed Trump on this in 2019.
Where? Last I heard he was refusing to comment.
Originally posted by Obbe https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/asia/afghan-russia-bounty-middleman.html
Again, nothing but 'anonymous officials', both in this article and the ones it sources. -
2020-07-02 at 12:50 PM UTC
The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.
https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1 -
2020-07-02 at 12:53 PM UTC
Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.
Bolton declined to comment Monday when asked by the AP if he had briefed Trump about the matter in 2019. On Sunday, he suggested to NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Trump was claiming ignorance of Russia’s provocations to justify his administration’s lack of a response.
strange wording, I think it means that one of their 'sources' said that Bolton had previously talked about it, not that Bolton confirmed it himselfThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-02 at 1:07 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Considering you fell for the 'Russiagate' hoax and learned nothing, I think it's a fair assessment that you're allowing your distaste for Trump to prevent you from looking at this analytically.
Case in point. The same intelligence agencies that lied you into every foreign war of the last 20 years.
Russiagate
Get off 4chan -
2020-07-02 at 1:26 PM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Where? Last I heard he was refusing to comment.
Again, nothing but 'anonymous officials', both in this article and the ones it sources.
The "anonymous source" gambit has really been overplayed, to the point of ridiculous. They just found out it works, so they're wringing it out like a wet rag. There is no sources. Never was any sources. And on the far chance there really is sources, the sources are just making shit up and offer nothing to back up their claims, which is as good as rumor and hearsay. If they don't provide factual and evidence-based sources, they should be entirely ignored. -
2020-07-02 at 1:28 PM UTCTimes has never had an anonymous source that told a lie. Not a single one. They verify their sources thoroughly.
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2020-07-03 at 12:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra Considering you fell for the 'Russiagate' hoax and learned nothing, I think it's a fair assessment that you're allowing your distaste for Trump to prevent you from looking at this analytically.
Whether or not this happened, has absolutely nothing to do with trump. You’re not making sense.Case in point. The same intelligence agencies that lied you into every foreign war of the last 20 years.
Oh Aldra, you just don’t get it. I understand your hate for the US, and your love for Putin. If anyone’s judgement is clouded, it’s yours. -
2020-07-03 at 1:10 AM UTC
Originally posted by Technologist Whether or not this happened, has absolutely nothing to do with trump. You’re not making sense.
The point is the very same people told the very same lies, claiming that Big Bad Russia was ruining your country and owned Trump, and even though it all turned out to be completely unsubstantiated you're lining up to drink the piss a second time.
Originally posted by Technologist Oh Aldra, you just don’t get it. I understand your hate for the US, and your love for Putin. If anyone’s judgement is clouded, it’s yours.
It doesn't matter who I support. The point is you're willing to take people at their word whose lies are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of US soldiers and millions of Iraqi civilians, to say nothing of the other foreign wars and interventions they instigated.
All because they're opposing Big Bad Orange Man. -
2020-07-03 at 2:34 AM UTCMy anonymous sources tell me that Russia is willing to conduct a joint investigation with the US into how US intelligence figured out their pay for splay scheme.
Rest easy my conservative comrades, Daddy Putin is going to get to the bottom of this.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-03 at 4:05 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra The point is the very same people told the very same lies, claiming that Big Bad Russia was ruining your country and owned Trump, and even though it all turned out to be completely unsubstantiated you're lining up to drink the piss a second time.
It doesn't matter who I support. The point is you're willing to take people at their word whose lies are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of US soldiers and millions of Iraqi civilians, to say nothing of the other foreign wars and interventions they instigated.
All because they're opposing Big Bad Orange Man.
Ah yes, only suddenly in 2016 did we start listening to the evil scientists and world leaders. Just to punish Trump. U got usThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-07-03 at 6:18 AM UTC
Originally posted by MexicanMasterRace Ah yes, only suddenly in 2016 did we start listening to the evil scientists and world leaders. Just to punish Trump. U got us
Aldra correctly pointed out it was your beloved New York Times and WaPo and your "intelligence agencies" who swore up and down Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. These completely bogus accusations led to a war, and many, many American servicemen and women died because of that lie, in addition to millions of innocent civilians. And yet you and Techmeister are still eager to take their word as Gospel. Same clowns who cooked up the Russian Hoax. You two must be real suckers for punishment, eh?The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
