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New surveillance footage shows Armed Robbery walking around construction site
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2020-05-17 at 4:56 AM UTC
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2020-05-17 at 4:58 AM UTCMaybe he saw one ofg those StrikeForce Super Self Defense Krav Maga youtube ads
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2020-05-17 at 5 AM UTCMainly what I’m saying is we have no idea what he felt like in that situation, and not a one of us knows what we’d do unless we were in the exact same circumstances.
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2020-05-17 at 5:02 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER When I had the dude trying to get in through my back door, and I yelled that I had a gun. Had he not stopped, and come inside, and Id shot him…would the fact that Ive said nigger on the internet mean that I killed him because I wanted to kill a black guy? No. There has to be something more than that. And if some were incllined to kill a black person for no reason, there are probably better ways to do it than on film, in broad daylight in the middle of the street, and waiting till he gets close enough to you to punch you in the face and grab your gun. Logic doesnt follow.
Yeah someone invading your home is literally the exact same thing as not calling the police and instead riding up on someone in a public road in trucks, boxing them in from both sides, and getting out with your buddy with shotguns trying to cut their path off. Literally no difference whatsoever.
You can even see he tries to swerve left (dad with shotgun moves in his path), he swerves right to avoid it and the sound at this point suggests the dad pointed at him. They assaulted him.
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2020-05-17 at 5:03 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER If I was stopped by armed blacks who wanted to talk to me, id run away lol. I wouldnt give them legal reason to kill me.
Ok. Now imagine they start blocking your path and draw on you to get you to stop as you try to avoid them... And are about as trustworthy or legitimate looking as these 2 ass clowns. -
2020-05-17 at 5:09 AM UTCI was talking about intent, and that even if these guy were "proven" to be racist (which they havent been), it doesnt disqualify a self defense shooting.
1) I didnt see the truck anything but stationary the whole video
2) The father in the truck bed in on the phone with police. He doesnt even draw his gun until 0:23 after the first shot is fired.
3) They did call the police. It was their stupid decision to follow someone they thought might be dangerous, but unfortunately its not illegal to be stupid. Its not illegal to disregard 911 dispatcher suggestions. It is illegal to attack people. Trayvon Martin 2.0 -
2020-05-17 at 5:11 AM UTC
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2020-05-17 at 5:12 AM UTCIt phonetically is
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2020-05-17 at 5:13 AM UTCHe didnt commit any armed robbery though. Just being sketchy.
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2020-05-17 at 5:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER I was talking about intent, and that even if these guy were "proven" to be racist (which they havent been), it doesnt disqualify a self defense shooting.
I didn't say it did. I'm saying the fact that they assaulted the guy is what disqualifies a self defense shooting.1) I didnt see the truck anything but stationary the whole video
Yeah the truck fucking teleported to the right-hand side of the road ahead of him, facing the same direction he was running. Or like maybe they drove in reverse backwards down the other end of the road to politely wait for him? And of course the moving truck coming up behind the guy, which the camera is in.2) The father in the truck bed in on the phone with police. He doesnt even draw his gun until 0:23 after the first shot is fired.
The son is in the bed, who shot the victim.
The father is the man standing in the road.
You can see he clearly moves to the middle of the road when the victim turns left, to obstruct him. The camera moves away when he then turns right, but now there is screaming and then a gun in the father's hand that the victim is trying to keep off him.3) They did call the police. It was their stupid decision to follow someone they thought might be dangerous, but unfortunately its not illegal to be stupid. Its not illegal to disregard 911 dispatcher suggestions. It is illegal to attack people. Trayvon Martin 2.0
I meant to say they didn't wait for the police to handle it.
But nobody is claiming it is illegal to not listen to the dispatcher, just that if you were speaking to a dispatcher and had been told, you were way way past the point of innocently but ignorantly trying to be a good citizen and ending up in a bad situation. -
2020-05-17 at 5:24 AM UTC
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2020-05-17 at 5:31 AM UTC1) The actual definition of assault doesnt meet ur definition.
2) Im not saying the truck didnt pass him. I assumed they drove past him and yelled at him to stop, before parking in the middle of the road up ahead.
3) Wait...what? The son is in the truck? Okay i cant contest that. But the guyin the TRUCK...who doesnt have a weapon drawn....is the one that shot him? Not the guy with the shotgun Arbery is wrestling with.
4) Ill have to watch the video a few more times, but i didnt see any movement at all. When the view of the truck is finally unostructed, the driver is already standing outside with the door open. Cant do much swerving at that point.
Originally posted by ORACLE I didn't say it did. I'm saying the fact that they assaulted the guy is what disqualifies a self defense shooting.
Yeah the truck fucking teleported to the right-hand side of the road ahead of him, facing the same direction he was running. Or like maybe they drove in reverse backwards down the other end of the road to politely wait for him? And of course the moving truck coming up behind the guy, which the camera is in.
The son is in the bed, who shot the victim.
The father is the man standing in the road.
You can see he clearly moves to the middle of the road when the victim turns left, to obstruct him. The camera moves away when he then turns right, but now there is screaming and then a gun in the father's hand that the victim is trying to keep off him.
I meant to say they didn't wait for the police to handle it.
But nobody is claiming it is illegal to not listen to the dispatcher, just that if you were speaking to a dispatcher and had been told, you were way way past the point of innocently but ignorantly trying to be a good citizen and ending up in a bad situation. -
2020-05-17 at 5:32 AM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE He went into the home, drank water from a sink, and left. Because he was thirsty, from jogging.
The only reason anyone considered it sketchy is because it was a negro in a white neighborhood.
OR...,he was sketchy bc thered been robberies and its a bit atypical for people to just wander onto someone elses property.
The white couple who were in the house were sketchy too, but they didnt show up in the middle of the daytime.
Ive seen cops called for a bunch of kids sitting on someone elses lawn
Ive had cops called on me for sitting on a curb in south central. Ofc the woman that called was correct- i was waiting to buy cocaine and i had no business there. -
2020-05-17 at 5:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER 1) The actual definition of assault doesnt meet ur definition.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault
Definition
The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required.
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Apprehension"
In the context of assault, the victim's "apprehension" happens if the victim believes that the tortfeasor's conduct will result in imminent harmful or offensive contact unless it is prevented.
It is not necessary that the victim believes the conduct will be effective in making such contact, only that the victim believes the conduct is capable of making such contact.2) Im not saying the truck didnt pass him. I assumed they drove past him and yelled at him to stop, before parking in the middle of the road up ahead.
Yeah exactly... That's already aggressive. They were gonna try to stop him whether he wanted to or not.3) Wait…what? The son is in the truck? Okay i cant contest that. But the guyin the TRUCK…who doesnt have a weapon drawn….is the one that shot him? Not the guy with the shotgun Arbery is wrestling with.
Yeah. You can see him readying up. The clip I posted is on YT so it doesn't include the seconds afterwards where the victim dies.4) Ill have to watch the video a few more times, but i didnt see any movement at all. When the view of the truck is finally unostructed, the driver is already standing outside with the door open. Cant do much swerving at that point.
Just notice the distance between the guy and the truck the first time you see him, then the next.
First he is standing directly next to the truck, second he is in the middle of the road, third he appears to be back near the truck (probably to point at him over the hood)The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2020-05-17 at 5:44 AM UTC
Originally posted by CASPER OR…,he was sketchy bc thered been robberies and its a bit atypical for people to just wander onto someone elses property.
The white couple who were in the house were sketchy too, but they didnt show up in the middle of the daytime.
Ive seen cops called for a bunch of kids sitting on someone elses lawn
Ive had cops called on me for sitting on a curb in south central. Ofc the woman that called was correct- i was waiting to buy cocaine and i had no business there.
Of course, but what does that have to do with going out to deal with it personally? You think this same thing would have happened given a white guy did it? I really don't think so. -
2020-05-17 at 5:49 AM UTC
Originally posted by ORACLE Of course, but what does that have to do with going out to deal with it personally? You think this same thing would have happened given a white guy did it? I really don't think so.
yeah a white guy probably wouldn't charge down a shotgun before talking to the person carrying it -
2020-05-17 at 5:57 AM UTC
Originally posted by aldra yeah a white guy probably wouldn't charge down a shotgun before talking to the person carrying it
Yeah he would, specifically when someone is trying to stop them from running by threatening them with a firearm... In that case, they are explicitly making running away the most lethal option, and turning it into a life or death situation. -
2020-05-17 at 6:02 AM UTCThe dude in the truck bed clearly doesnt have the shotgun. And ive seen no mention of Arbery being killed with the only other weapon recovered. It really doesnt matter in the overall series of events, but it certainly looks like all the shots came from whoever the fuck the dude with the shotgun standing in tje street- was.
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2020-05-17 at 6:04 AM UTCSeriously, they tried to HALT HIM BY DISPLAYING GUNS AND BLOCKING HIM, what sort of response is "run away"? You think he will Usain Bolt away faster than cars and bullets? Or trust their better judgment to not do what they are threatening, i.e. stopping you by using their guns?
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2020-05-17 at 6:06 AM UTC
