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Explain this Witchcraft to me again
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2017-02-19 at 3:25 AM UTChow do you have niggasin.space work but not www.niggasin.space?
is the www supposed to be a place setter that is a minimum requirement for a url as to not confuse domains -
2017-02-19 at 3:36 AM UTCI don't know, you're the warlock not me
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2017-02-19 at 3:47 AM UTC
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2017-02-19 at 3:56 AM UTCThe "www" subdomain thing is kind of an antiquated tradition. When HTTP was nascent it wasn't uncommon to run other services on port 80 and a hypertext document wasn't really considered the "face" of a domain, so frequently you'd run an http server somewhere else and direct your www subdomain to it. It caught on and you found services like yahoo advertising their www subdomain. Now that HTTP is frequently the service provided by a site almost everyone points their main domain at the server running the HTTP server or load balancer or what have you and optionally the www subdomain for people who are still used to typing it out. I chose not to because it's an obsolete practice, more config, and wildcard SSL certs are expensive.
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2017-02-19 at 3:57 AM UTCdubbloo dubbloo dubbloo
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2017-02-19 at 4 AM UTCI didnt even think about it but it's like a vestigial structure . A piece of the 90's that we've evolved past but it's managed hang around for some reason since ancient times. Kind of like an appendix, or SpectraL.
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2017-02-19 at 4:08 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny The "www" subdomain thing is kind of an antiquated tradition. When HTTP was nascent it wasn't uncommon to run other services on port 80 and a hypertext document wasn't really considered the "face" of a domain, so frequently you'd run an http server somewhere else and direct your www subdomain to it. It caught on and you found services like yahoo advertising their www subdomain. Now that HTTP is frequently the service provided by a site almost everyone points their main domain at the server running the HTTP server or load balancer or what have you and optionally the www subdomain for people who are still used to typing it out. I chose not to because it's an obsolete practice, more config, and wildcard SSL certs are expensive.
Thank you for this info. I thought it was because people might use your domain somehow fraudulently and the face was to protect that from being mirrored somehow. i wasn't sure the debths of it because it's difficult to understand. I'm hoping to learn though.
Can you aswer this for me. How do you start a internet connection from your own home without having to buy an account from comcast or att or so on. how do you create an internet gateway from say your phone line without connecting to a phone server or even using the cable lines if possible? like a wireless one. how do you set up the actual server (not just a storage server) i hope that makes sense. -
2017-02-19 at 4:17 AM UTC
Originally posted by BeigeWarlock Can you aswer this for me. How do you start a internet connection from your own home without having to buy an account from comcast or att or so on. how do you create an internet gateway from say your phone line without connecting to a phone server or even using the cable lines if possible? like a wireless one. how do you set up the actual server (not just a storage server) i hope that makes sense.
You don't. I mean you can as a T3 ISP technically but that would be retarded. -
2017-02-19 at 4:31 AM UTC
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2017-02-19 at 4:35 AM UTC
Originally posted by BeigeWarlock Can you aswer this for me. How do you start a internet connection from your own home without having to buy an account from comcast or att or so on.
You can't. Like you might be able to do some magic to make an ISP like comcast provide you service without paying for it but you're still using that ISP's equipment. There's this notion of "tier 1 networks" and any internet connected entity is able to access the internet by their relation to a tier 1 network, the usual arrangement is you pay someone who pays someone ... who pays a tier 1 network for access, the only way to avoid that is to be part of tier 1 which is beyond infeasible for a private citizen.how do you create an internet gateway from say your phone line without connecting to a phone server or even using the cable lines if possible? like a wireless one.
You might be interested in reading up on mesh networks, which sound sorta like this, but if a mesh network is connected to the internet it, again, goes through an ISP somewhere. If you're only interested in the immediate contents of the mesh then each node would be considered a gateway to the network.how do you set up the actual server (not just a storage server) i hope that makes sense.
That's pretty straight forward, any computer can act as a server although there are properties of a residential internet connection that make them highly undesirable for commercial use (latency is high, home computers have a poor hardware composition for running an internet service, transfer speeds are asymmetric, your IP address isn't stable). Historically the strategy was to find someone who is or has a relationship with a tier 1 network who will lease you a connection, then you build a datacenter near them and put your servers there. That's also really expensive though so there are all kind of strategies for getting together N people or organizations and selling them datacenter/N resources, for example the server this site runs on isn't even a full machine on a rack, it's one physical unit timeshared between probably 16 other virtual servers, in a data center with thousands of physical machines mostly divvied up the same way, run by a company leasing the rack space and network connection. -
2017-02-19 at 4:42 AM UTC
Originally posted by Lanny You can't. Like you might be able to do some magic to make an ISP like comcast provide you service without paying for it but you're still using that ISP's equipment. There's this notion of "tier 1 networks" and any internet connected entity is able to access the internet by their relation to a tier 1 network, the usual arrangement is you pay someone who pays someone … who pays a tier 1 network for access, the only way to avoid that is to be part of tier 1 which is beyond infeasible for a private citizen.
You might be interested in reading up on mesh networks, which sound sorta like this, but if a mesh network is connected to the internet it, again, goes through an ISP somewhere. If you're only interested in the immediate contents of the mesh then each node would be considered a gateway to the network.
That's pretty straight forward, any computer can act as a server although there are properties of a residential internet connection that make them highly undesirable for commercial use (latency is high, home computers have a poor hardware composition for running an internet service, transfer speeds are asymmetric, your IP address isn't stable). Historically the strategy was to find someone who is or has a relationship with a tier 1 network who will lease you a connection, then you build a datacenter near them and put your servers there. That's also really expensive though so there are all kind of strategies for getting together N people or organizations and selling them datacenter/N resources, for example the server this site runs on isn't even a full machine on a rack, it's one physical unit timeshared between probably 16 other virtual servers, in a data center with thousands of physical machines mostly divvied up the same way, run by a company leasing the rack space and network connection.
So it's cheaper to no stress with comcast than start up something of yourself which would cost loads of time and money? -
2017-02-19 at 4:46 AM UTCYeah, if you're a residential user then comcast et al. is highly optimized to your use case. You don't want to run a server off a comcast residential line, but even in that case you want a provider who does specialize in that as opposed to starting up your own ISP.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
