They fucking hurt, I had a couple when I was 11 on swim team. But I at least had swim briefs on. A neighbor I had (the sergeant) owns a gym here in the neighborhood and he invited me another neighbor just go work out there so we went and he was straight militant with the regimine but hey I wasn't complaining. Until a couple times he came in the showers with rat tail towel and would whip are asses ordering us to get out because we're wasting too much hot water. holy fuck