Originally posted by i like pie
go back to the part where copper EFPs are nigger-tier.
that's really the point though isn't it - EFPs are supposed to be cheap and dirty, there are better anti-armor options if you're not making them in a cave somewhere
Originally posted by i like pie
the 'better' choice for a weapons-grade EFP. no, they arent going to find this metal in an IED nor are you going to find an actual photograph of one online.
go back to the part where copper EFPs are nigger-tier. there is a 'better' metal used by modern professional designers. im not telling you what it is but it has eight letters in the name.
lol
Originally posted by aldra
that's really the point though isn't it - EFPs are supposed to be cheap and dirty, there are better anti-armor options if you're not making them in a cave somewhere
Yeah, but it's finny, he's just here to wave his cock around and say "i read wikipedia, tantalum is better!!11zz da military ones i have photos of iz better den da copper ones im elite weapons expert lololz111!!1"
You two may disagree, but it's obvious you both have a wealth of knowledge on various military subjects. It doesn't benefit anyone to demean each other while discussing topical topics. So what if you believe the other is full of shit? Just state you find the other guy full of shit and then add something of actual worth.
Originally posted by -SpectraL
You two may disagree, but it's obvious you both have a wealth of knowledge on various military subjects. It doesn't benefit anyone to demean each other while discussing topical topics. So what if you believe the other is full of shit? Just state you find the other guy full of shit and then add something of actual worth.
It's because he's a government shill.
The materials of MEFP charge and basic parameters dimension of liner are shown as follows: (1) Explosive: The high explosive is Comp B with a nominal density of 1.717 g/cm3 and a deto-nation velocity of 7980 m/s. The total weight of the explosive is 3737g. [Zhao et al., 2013]. (2) Liner: A hemispherical pattern liner was imparted into produce the individual penetrators. The diameter of the charge liner is 60 mm. Outer and inner curvature radius of liner (shown in Figure 3) is 82mm and 84.3mm, respectively. Considering the cost efficiency, we choose oxygen-free high-conductivity copper (OFHC) liner material with tensile strength of 35-45% and ductility of 45% [Zhao et al., 2015]. The liner weighs 60.3 g.
I came up with ways to cheaply measure the velocity and penetration power of these years ago on totse and elsewhere.
Originally posted by i like pie
the blocks of metal shown in that article that the retard posted a link to are absolutely not viable as the penetrator in an EFP.
There's different types of penetrators for different purposes, idiot. And as for modern armor, that's what the MEFPs are designed for.
If we're talking IEDs, which I have been, you're just talking out your ass, trying to parrot the most expensive method as the best, when in reality, with IEDs it sure as fuck isn't the best choice, hence you being a moron.
EDIT: Nothing in any of the articles I posted links to was a "block of metal" either, just to clear up this moron's terminology.
Plasma (from Ancient Greek πλάσμα, meaning 'moldable substance') is one of the four fundamental states of matter, and was first described by chemist Irving Langmuir in the 1920s. It consists of a gas of ions – atoms which have some of their orbital electrons removed – and free electrons. Plasma can be artificially generated by heating or subjecting a neutral gas to a strong electromagnetic field to the point where an ionized gaseous substance becomes increasingly electrically conductive. The resulting charged ions and electrons become influenced by long-range electromagnetic fields, making the plasma dynamics more sensitive to these fields than a neutral gas.
Plasma and ionized gases have properties and display behaviours unlike those of the other states, and the transition between them is mostly a matter of nomenclature and subject to interpretation. Based on the temperature and density of the environment that contains a plasma, partially ionized or fully ionized forms of plasma may be produced. Neon signs and lightning are examples of partially ionized plasmas. The Earth's ionosphere is a plasma and the magnetosphere contains plasma in the Earth's surrounding space environment. The interior of the Sun is an example of fully ionized plasma, along with the solar corona and stars. Positive charges in ions are achieved by stripping away electrons orbiting the atomic nuclei, where the total number of electrons removed is related to either increasing temperature or the local density of other ionized matter. This also can be accompanied by the dissociation of molecular bonds, though this process is distinctly different from chemical processes of ion interactions in liquids or the behaviour of shared ions in metals. The response of plasma to electromagnetic fields is used in many modern technological devices, such as plasma televisions or plasma etching.
Plasma may be the most abundant form of ordinary matter in the universe, although this hypothesis is currently tentative based on the existence and unknown properties of dark matter.
Originally posted by aldra
that's more or less what a HEAT penetrator is; modern anti armor missiles don't just explode, they force a channel of plasma into the target
Seems the most reasonable and effective method, since plasma is so plentiful and economical. Copper and precious metals are damned expensive these days.
Originally posted by i like pie
i dont have any SIGINT anything to get fried (unlike your three functional brain cells that are fried like an omlet in a frying pan at ground zero of tsar bomba.) you have no idea what youre talking about. nothing youre saying is making any sense. your posts are the literal example of what law enforcement and mental health professionals would 'profile' as traits defining a mentally ill person. youre the epitome of a 10-96
based on what youre typing you dont know jack diddly shit squat. you need to be careful what you try to gibber on about because someone who actually knows the reality of it might be reading it and only too happy to point out what an idiot you are.
you obviously have no idea who i am. ive never been banned.
Originally posted by i like pie
stfu. you are literally gibbering on about something you have demonstrated that you are completely clueless about. EFPs are not cheaper…and manufacturing the actual penetrator is not cheap. they are only slightly less precise in metrological detail requirements than what is required to form an effective core for an implosion type nuke. if the angle of incidence of the explosion in relation to the penetrators isnt perfect the device loses several orders of magnitude of efficiency and effectiveness.
and stop saying copper. only nigger-tier weapons manufacturers use copper anymore. theres better shit out there now.
and stop hyping up shit that you have no idea about. EFP is not blast fragments/shrapnel. and there are much worse things than EFPs
and stop being an idiot
Originally posted by i like pie
youre fucking hilarious. im pissing my britches laughing at you.
lets play a game. you post a picture of a real life EFP that youre holding in your hand and ill post a real life EFP (actually made of copper since it was made in the 90s before they invented better penetrator materials) and well have a survey on who has the better EFP pics. never mind. i dont give enough of a fuck to dig through my garage to find the film.
the article you posted is exactly what you are accusing me of. go read about 'anarchists cookbook' and how it was a CIA COINTELPRO publication. if you had a modicum of brain power…which you dont…youd realize that national policy is to not publish details and specifics…and most butt-fuckingly certainly not photos… of any actual IED. i will confirm with factual accuracy, real life experience, and actual documented verification as a literal weapons expert, that those photos do not depict functional EFPs. if those objects were attached to a high explosive they would be blast fragments…nothing more than really heavy nails in the more common IEDs.
if you werent a retard youd realize that EFP-based devices are actually trivial in effectiveness compared to other types of 'unconventional' weapons. one of which is the king of the hill. no, im not going to tell you. if you figure it out on your own ill tell you. as a hint, the IED-versions are actually 'cheaper' to make than EFPs, much more effective in certain environmental conditions, and so common and easily constructed as to be literally impossible to legislate. the government manufactured versions are so 'effective' that there have been talks of adding them to the hauge/geneva/whatever yammerings to have them banned. another hint is there have been several actual media reports and detailed articles inadvertently describing them…describing ones intentionally created/constructed, and ones accidentally created.
Originally posted by i like pie
no.
you go get yourself a fissile mass of plutonium, fashion it into a sphere, and set off a high explosive.
see how well that works to make a nuklurear esploshun.
the point is…that 'spherical shape' has to be spherical in shape to such perfection that it would compete with the webb telescope mirror for angular perfection. if it isnt perfectly spherical and perfectly aligned with the explosive charge to detonate at the perfect angular relationship, you get a big loud non-nuclurear sploshun that sprays radioactive plutonium all over the place. same with an EFP. you dont take a slab of whatever-shaped copper, slather it with some HE, spark it off, then gleefully hop around saying you made an EFP. no, you just made something go 'bang' that launched a $4.99/lb chunk of copper in some direction at some veloci-titty relating to the explosive used.
youre an idiot. stop talking to me.
Originally posted by i like pie
youre so adorable how you keep on with this like a retarded chihuahua with its favorite plush toy.
youre so stupid that no matter what i tell you or what accurate information i provide your lack of mental ability and some sort of neurodegenrative disorder prevent you from having any thought processes that are even remotely related to a sane person. you keep going on and on about something youre clueless about and keep blathering on about it which only accomplishes showing how fully fucktarded you are.
no, its all about the penetrator shape in relation to the explosive charge. i read the wiki article too, so i can see where youre getting your information from. the fun part is that what the internetz sayz and what the real life applications are have an inconvenient tendency to not always jibe. especially when idiots such as yourself throw a giant monkey wrench into the translation of things. copper is only a choice in weaponized EFPs because it is cheaper and more easily acquired than the 'better' choice for a weapons-grade EFP. no, they arent going to find this metal in an IED nor are you going to find an actual photograph of one online.
go back to the part where copper EFPs are nigger-tier. there is a 'better' metal used by modern professional designers. im not telling you what it is but it has eight letters in the name.
Originally posted by i like pie
EFPs are related to shaped charges. theyre actually incomplete shaped charges where if the EFP were cone-shaped and thinner instead of retro-lens shaped and blocky theyd 'jet'-ify and become jets instead of molten 'blobs/globs'
shaped charges are cheaper and exponentially easier to produce. their limiting factor is the distance between the actual detonation and where the target lies because the usable life of the compacted liner is miniscule. an actual EFP has a longer range because it is a solid-ish object with exponentially more mass and inertia.
the blocks of metal shown in that article that the retard posted a link to are absolutely not viable as the penetrator in an EFP. those shapes will not deform to create the elongated blob that is an actual EFP. what will happen if those chunks of metal are assembled into a device with the hopes of creating an EFP is that the detonating explosive with launch the chunk of metal at some high velocity, depending on the explosive used, where it will impact a target as shrapnel or fragmentation. yes, at the speed an HE charge will launch a large hunk of metal to, that hunk of metal will rip thru a lightly armored vehicle with impunity and take out body parts with absolutely no difficulty whatsoever. a chunk of copper moving at anything less than six-figure FPS velocities wont overly adversely affect any modern tanks armor. the same chunk of copper that is an actual EFP will rip through modern tank armor, depending on the location on the tank and the armor type.
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Originally posted by i like pie
youre not seeing the forest through the trees.
i never said anything about silver
tantalum and silver are currently similar in market pricing however silver is exponentially more unstable of a pricing point
tantalum is several orders of magnitude more available for mining than silver.
copper is cheaper because it is more plentiful in availability and softer/easier to process
You're trying to downplay the seriousness of EFPs (despite all the evidence including articles I've posted on it) and parroting how much better you think the more expensive US military versions are. You are a kike shill and a retard as someone else pointed out.
Yes, the kike owned US military whose dick you still seem to thoroughly gag on has better EFPs and they do not want us talking about improvised ones because it'll encourage more people, I get that. They also sent your attack gerbil ass in here to make it seem as thorough properly formed EFP penetrators are somehow difficult to improvise, they aren't.
Bottom line is you're wrong and only posting misinformation because of that last fact I listed. I like your autistic version of rote memorization of facts such as "dur dur it's hard to get maximium penetration due to angles" but it's really not proving that you're not just a kike shill, quite the opposite.
Anyway, hopefully the greeks will learn to make something like that and get rid of the faggot kike shills on their side as well.
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And that's what is in store for the rest of europe.
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