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2020-02-25 at 8:26 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Obbe The credit for Amazon’s success cannot go solely to Bezos. As the second largest private employer in the United States, there are a lot of workers making important contributions. Many of the people who are essential to delivering on the promise of great prices, reliability, and speedy delivery that Amazon’s brand is built on aren’t even included in that number. They’re independent contractors and seasonal workers who get paid little, but without whom the company would be lost. And they make less in a year than the estimated $36,000 Bezos earns every minute.
I agree with you that it’s unfair. They claim to pay all their workers at least $15 an hour but what they don’t tell you is 90% of them are seasonal workers who only get maybe 24 hours a week, with no benefits, and no option to go full time.
So actually they are paid a lot less than minimum wage full time workers who get full benefits.
But the fact is that amazon is worth a lot of money, and bezos owned a part of it since back when it was not. It’s like if I bought 10,000 bitcoins back when it was $.01. The amount of labor that goes into the original transaction would be basically a few clicks on a computer, but the value of that labor after sitting on my ass for several years would be almost $100,000,000.
Amazon is just a commodity that has appreciated in value over time. Forget how much labor he personally put into it, that’s what it comes down to -
2020-02-25 at 8:30 PM UTCSo how would you regulate that? Ban business ownership? Or if you own a business and eventually it earns enough money, at some point the government just takes it from you and you get nothing?
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2020-02-25 at 8:31 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:32 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:35 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:36 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny government alresdy owns and controls the means of production and distribution of goods.
if it didnt you can just set up a machine shop and start making assault weapons and selling them.
But I can do that. I just have to have a manufacturer’s license.
Requiring licensure is not the same as owning the means of production -
2020-02-25 at 8:39 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL No. If you raise a pig, it costs you so much. That's a specific amount. Now, if you try to sell that pig for more than two times what it cost you to raise the pig, the specific amount, you go to jail.
yea but now i want sell my pig for fishes.
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2020-02-25 at 8:40 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:40 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:41 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny yea but now i want sell my pig for fishes.
how many fishes should i get ?
When you raise a fish, it costs you a specific amount. When you raise a pig, it costs you a specific amount. In the transaction, if the specific value of one of the items exceeds twice the other, jail. -
2020-02-25 at 8:45 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Depends on what it cost to catch the fish
thats the point and the connundrum.
if it costs me next to nothing to catch 100 pound of fishes, he would get by law, thousands of pounds of fishes for his little pig.
but the intensity of labor involved would be extremely disproportionate. -
2020-02-25 at 8:46 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:47 PM UTC
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2020-02-25 at 8:54 PM UTC
Originally posted by vindicktive vinny thats the point and the connundrum.
if it costs me next to nothing to catch 100 pound of fishes, he would get by law, thousands of pounds of fishes for his little pig.
but the intensity of labor involved would be extremely disproportionate.
If you got it for free, then you can trade it for up to two times equal value. Just because you got it for free doesn't mean it's valueless. The value of it would be the cost it would involve to raise such a fish. -
2020-02-25 at 8:59 PM UTC
Originally posted by -SpectraL If you got it for free, then you can trade it for up to two times equal value. Just because you got it for free doesn't mean it's valueless. The value of it would be the cost it would involve to raise such a fish.
Sounds like your simple, cheap idea would actually require an army of bean-counters to calculate the value of every insignificant thing and oversee every single transfer of goods and service -
2020-02-25 at 9 PM UTCHow much would you pay these highly-sought mathematicians??
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2020-02-25 at 9:33 PM UTC
Originally posted by Fox Sounds like your simple, cheap idea would actually require an army of bean-counters to calculate the value of every insignificant thing and oversee every single transfer of goods and service
Every species and class of animal is documented, so why not the value of everything? -
2020-02-25 at 9:52 PM UTC
Originally posted by itybit Even though I'm independent I typically lean moderate left, I'm not happy about Bernie being the front runner namely because of his medicare for all plan. I currently have fantastic insurance which I don't want messed with.
Until they find a loophole saying you've got nicotine in your system, you must be a pack a day smoker. Insurance claim denied. -
2020-02-25 at 9:54 PM UTC
