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2018-12-22 at 10:44 PM UTC in Is it sleazy that I constantly hit on girls half my age?Only if you're in your early thirties or younger.
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2018-12-22 at 10:40 PM UTC in I woke up today sweating and shaking and had a realization (also, I'll be leaving NiS for a while)I'll miss you. If you feel like you can manage it, come back soon. And if it turns out you're still a hopeless alcoholic without us, also please come back.
Good luck though! We'll be waiting. 😘 -
2018-12-22 at 6:21 AM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trolling
Originally posted by gadzooks A standard high school education provides sufficient reason to believe the standard position.
Internal consistency does not beget external existency. A standard high school education provides sufficient reason to believe that the model presented is feasible, not necessarily that it is applicable; barring labwork where you experimentally verify things for yourself. And even that isn't perfect, because we are taught the model and how it applies to our observations, rather than taught to derive the model from our observations.~
Originally posted by gadzooks Educated people don't just "take the teacher's (or textbook's) word for it".
I would argue that education does not always teach people to think critically about what they're taught.
Originally posted by gadzooks The conclusion that the Earth is round is constructed logically and empirically.
Empirically is another funny choice of words. What is empiricism, if not valuing what is materially sensed? Empirical evidence is only empirical to those who observe it. This is why empirical evidence must be able to be obtained repeatedly/repeatably for it to be considered valid in the scientific sense. And taking it on blind faith that you can repeat the experiment and obtain empirical support for your position, but never actually doing so, is not exactly laudable. Essentially, you have no empirical evidence that the evidence you believe to be empirically and scientifically valid actually is empirical itself, until you yourself observe it. Empirical evidence is an anecdote unless gathered yourself.
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2018-12-22 at 6:07 AM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trolling
Originally posted by gadzooks That's because the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that goes against conventional wisdom.
I think you mean:
Originally posted by gadzooks That's because the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.
There are no caveats there. Claims should not be given more weight based on the fact that they're widely accepted. How foolish would that be? Certainly most of the world is religious in some form or another, but does god receive the same lofty treatment? Must an atheist disprove god? Conventional wisdom is an ironic choice of words - believing it uncritically would be the furthest thing from wise. They have no desire to prove the shape of the Earth even to themselves, because to them it is a foregone conclusion. It is conventional ignorance that guides them through life, not wisdom. -
2018-12-22 at 5:18 AM UTC in Do you think you'd be brave enough to be in a gunfight?
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2018-12-22 at 5:12 AM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trolling
Originally posted by gadzooks Lol.
Ok my ex-roommate, who happened to be an escort and frequent meth-user, and is currently in prison for gun-related charges, used to always "cite evidence" for her beliefs in a so-called "flat-earth."
It was always some stupid YouTube video or some reference to how a pilot's visual perspective when taking off somehow proves her case.
Like, when was the last time she flew a fucking plane?
I hate to resort to ad hominem arguments, but flat-earthers overwhelmingly tend to lie somewhere south of the bell curve of what constitutes a "normal person", let alone even remotely educated.
I always gave her the benefit of the doubt and assumed she was IRL trolling me, but her facial expressions and body language revealed her actual beliefs.
I'm not saying every Flat Earther goes out there and tries to experimentally justify their position, I'm just saying I see it happening a lot more with them than I do with the globies. Taking pictures with a Nikon COOLPIX P900 is practically a meme in the FB groups I'm in, because it's got a crazy zoom and flerfers think they can zoom over the horizon and un-disappear ships and the like. Like I said, deeply flawed experimentation, but I respect that a lot more than some smug asshole who thinks he's right because "science is on his side". Even if they do tend to draw the wrong conclusions. Y'know? I rarely, if ever, see a globe gobbler do more than reference an experiment performed by someone else. The shape of the Earth is a foregone conclusion to them, not worth proving.
And yeah, there are a lot of flerfers who use youtube videos, but there are also a lot of globeheads who use youtube videos to try and explain how/show that the Earth is a globe. Youtube is full of valuable educational material. The fact that the information is on youtube surely doesn't make it false, neh?
*shrug*
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2018-12-21 at 9:25 PM UTC in Who's the biggest sexual deviant on NIS?
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2018-12-21 at 7:47 PM UTC in Do you think you'd be brave enough to be in a gunfight?Fuck no. I got temporary shell shock playing paintball at my 13 birthday. I was just huddled behind cover, shaking. In hindsight it was kinda hilarious, but at the time I was petrified. And it was just paintball.
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2018-12-21 at 7:27 PM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trollingI'm gonna kinda rant here, because yeah: I mostly pretend to be a Flat Earther in Flat Earth "debate" groups on Facebook, where the globe side of the "debate" is full of the most insufferable people imaginable. It's kinda the same vibe I get from fedora atheists - people who are too stupid to win any kind of consequential argument, who pick on the lowest hanging possible fruit because it's the only way they can "win" and feel smarter than someone else. People who feel the need to beat others over the head with science they've never experimentally verified themselves are the dumbest smart people, so I play the smartest dumb person to remind them that they really aren't that bright. At least Flat Earthers go out and try to gather evidence via experimentation (albeit deeply flawed experimentation)... in my opinion that still puts them miles ahead of a globehead who thinks they know what is True because they read it in a book. Only one of those types of people is actually interested in discovering the Truth for themselves, which is as noble a goal as they come.
The whole vaguely religious culture of belief surrounding the sciences in general is deeply offputting to me. I weep for the Starbucks baristas with liberal arts degrees who worship at the church of Popular Science, and follow the teachings of the prophets Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye the Science Guy. And god help you if you try to point out the shaky-as-fuck foundations of their worldview... how little they truly know, and how much of what they think they know is based on faith (just using that word'll set them off). Rather than grapple with the epistemological nightmare that is our existence, they seek comfort in their delusions of Truth. I can't fault them for that - it is, after all, almost a default of the human condition - but when they start acting like they're better than people whose delusions of Truth differ from their own... it kinda makes me sick.
Science is useful, and neat, but you don't understand everything well enough to tell whether or not everything is true. Even highly specialized scientists with PhDs are really taking it on faith when they accept findings from fields outside their narrow scope of expertise. Science is not a perfect system, except in the sense that it's a system for discovering what is likely to be true, and which acknowledges that it is not a perfect system. If we forget the word "likely" and that last part, it becomes hardly distinguishable from religion. Maybe that's simply the same age-old flaw in human thinking. When something we believe is true gets proven wrong, people say that means science is working. But when you point out that this also means that what we believe now could very well be just as wrong, people - feeling as though their beliefs are being attacked - start screaming about proof, instead of just... acknowledging the reality of how little they know. It's almost like the inverse of the "god of the gaps" fallacy, where we believe there are no gaps in our collective knowledge... until they're discovered, at which point we applaud ourselves and go back to feeling as if there are, once again, no gaps.
Whatever the case, it rubs me the wrong way. Pointless rant over.
tl;dr - everyone is stupid, nobody is willing to admit how little they know, and science is great when treated with the right philosophical care but is elsewise as intellectually bankrupt as religiosity -
2018-12-21 at 6:40 PM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trollingThat is to say, some of us are just being satirical/trolling.
I genuinely don't believe the Earth is a globe, but I don't believe it's flat either. I have trust issues. Everyone here could be an alt, I might be a genetically engineered clone whose entire life has been some kind of sick social experiment, god might exist. Who am I to say?
And sure, there are ways I could gather evidence and help prove to myself that the Earth is round (looking across Lake Ontario at Toronto, for example)... but I'm not going to do that, because I'm okay with not knowing. -
2018-12-21 at 6:37 PM UTC in I used to think Flat Earthers were just being satirical and/or trollinglol globeheads are retarded, i used to think you ball lovers were trolling too but it turns out you're actually stupid
water doesn't curve around a spinning ball, dumb butt. if you believe the sun is 93 million miles away you're also stupid and can't be helped. like seriously... moran. -
2018-12-21 at 5:15 PM UTC in Who's the biggest sexual deviant on NIS?G-guys, come on. I'm not that weird. My sex life is actually pretty plain. Committed monogamous relationship, sex in a handful of vanilla positions.
My vote goes for NARCassist. Dude's a sex addict who buys hookers and is into pissing and stuff, right? How in the hell do you all think I trump that level of deviance? Not that I'm judging - whatever floats your boat - but it's definitely more deviant than anything I'm into. -
2018-12-21 at 5:10 PM UTC in Military pulling out of Afghanistan and Syria. kikes on suicide watch
Originally posted by Lanny Is the genocidal part the one where we stop murdering people in Afghanistan because, uhh, scary looking islamic guys on the other side of the planet seem generally menacing to us somehow, or is it something else where which constitutes genocide.
The genocidal part comes from Israeli/pro-Zionist rhetoric - that the Arab, Muslim world wants to see every jedi in Israel dead. So if they're "on suicide watch" from this, they're actually on genocide watch. According to them anyway. I dunno. -
2018-12-21 at 8:41 AM UTC in Military pulling out of Afghanistan and Syria. kikes on suicide watchMILLIONS of generals.
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2018-12-21 at 8:21 AM UTC in im gonna overdose suicide soonqHave fun. Listen to something ironic.
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2018-12-21 at 5:04 AM UTC in Military pulling out of Afghanistan and Syria. kikes on suicide watchmore like genocide watch, amirite? ha ha the extermination of an entire group of people is funny because they're smarter than me
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2018-12-21 at 5:02 AM UTC in I think I witnessed The Zodiac KillerMike Lee is the zodiac killer.
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2018-12-19 at 9:16 PM UTC in Do you know conscience?I know fear of consequences, which is just as good as conscience I guess.
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2018-12-19 at 9:14 PM UTC in december 19th, 2013Haha sounds like maybe you should just kill yourself, faggot. 🤗
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2018-12-19 at 4:39 PM UTC in 🎄 What do you want for christmas? 🎄Lanny, you should enhancement 🎄 to 🕎.
