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2019-01-22 at 3:26 AM UTC in Sex with HTS
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2019-01-22 at 3:23 AM UTC in Sex with HTS
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2019-01-22 at 3:08 AM UTC in Sex with HTS
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2019-01-22 at 2:53 AM UTC in Sex with HTSThis thread is gross.
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2019-01-22 at 2:37 AM UTC in Don't know who R Kelly is and don't want to know
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2019-01-22 at 2:33 AM UTC in Don't know who R Kelly is and don't want to know
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2019-01-22 at 2:26 AM UTC in Don't know who R Kelly is and don't want to know
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2019-01-22 at 1:57 AM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
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2019-01-22 at 1:52 AM UTC in I actually feel sorry for some of you
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2019-01-22 at 12:10 AM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
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2019-01-22 at 12:05 AM UTC in I actually feel sorry for some of youi've lost more virginities than most people
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2019-01-21 at 4:28 PM UTC in I've already spent over $1,000 on wings in 2019someone email me money for chikken wangs
shit you could even just email me chikken wings -
2019-01-21 at 3:04 PM UTC in ATTN ass master
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2019-01-21 at 2:01 PM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
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2019-01-21 at 2 PM UTC in Count Dankula demonetizedLet's put it this way: "blasphemous libel" laws still exist in parts of western civilization. And they existed in even more parts until fairly recently. Our idealized notion of free speech, especially the one we have here on totse and its offspring, honestly has no real historical counterpart. Our idea of free speech is, frankly, revolutionary. It is not a point of view shared by the majority today, and it certainly would not have more support at any point in history.
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2019-01-21 at 1:52 PM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
Originally posted by CASPER It was never the majority that did that. There's reason why it's been passed down through historical record. It was something which we pretty collectively realized "we" had fucked up on. And the ultra religious minority is the same now as ever. But it's the minority.
Yeah, we collectively realized maybe we fucked up with Socrates... during the Renaissance. Nearly 2000 years later. We weren't even close to sure we'd fucked up until the Enlightenment. The ultra religious (by today's standards) minority weren't a minority in Europe for most of human history. Strict orthodoxy maybe, but for the most part western civilization consisted of people who went to church every sunday (and other days of the week) and who put the word of God above the word of any man. Socrates wasn't murdered by the minority. He was put to a trial in front of his peers and found guilty. And even he believed in some (by today's standards) whackadoodle semi-religious shit like daemons.
It fucks me up how people think atheism has always been a normal thing and we've always believed in free speech. Saying our modern conception of free speech/freedom in general has existed throughout the history of western civilization would be as ignorant as saying the same for egalitarianism or other qualities people value today. Our modern notion of freedom finds its roots in revolutionary France more than it finds its roots in any part of western civilization from ancient Greece through Medieval Europe. -
2019-01-21 at 1:18 PM UTC in Count Dankula demonetizedAthens: Murders the fuck out of Socrates for questioning the gods.
People in western civilization now: "For most of our history we've been staunch advocates for free speech. Except for all those times we weren't, I guess. Whoops." -
2019-01-21 at 1:10 PM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
Originally posted by CASPER 1) for most of its history, the western world has affirmed its belief in the importance of the right to free speech
What universe are you from? The modern idea of free speech is fairly new, perhaps inspired during the Enlightenment (at earliest), and western civilization's roots go back a lot further than that. Blasphemy throughout the history of western civilization has been punishable by various means including death. To say we've historically believed in the importance of free speech is silly. Modern violations of that particular freedom are par for the course or even less egregious by historical metrics. -
2019-01-21 at 12:54 PM UTC in SGPS: This thread made me download the first seasons of SG-1. Thanks, OP.
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2019-01-21 at 11:42 AM UTC in Count Dankula demonetized
Originally posted by CASPER Why the fuck should there be "consequences" for speech that doesn't actively call for violence against anyone else?
Playing Devil's Advocate here, but... you're already making caveats, I see. Not all speech is free speech. Even by your standards. So why should your speech be free speech? Why should Dank's? Whether he meant to or not, his video made Nazism funny and adorable. He made Nazism palatable. Using your speech to soften the rough edges of speech that calls for violence - should that be protected? If the Nazis had a PR team who never explicitly said we should gas the jedis, or did say it but then pretended it was a joke - would that be free speech? His interviews with Tommy Robinson were attempts to humanize him and put a less evil face on the racist far right. He has a pretty clear history of supporting far right fascist views. Why should he be free to support and defend people who actively call for violence? 🤔
