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Any chance anyone here has tried the GHB analog MAB (Methyl 4-Acetoxy Butanoate)?
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2018-12-31 at 10:59 PM UTCConsidering the wide spectrum of drugs I have experience with, combined with the fact that I had never heard of this particular compound until today, kinda tells me this is a total shot in the dark, but what the heck, why not...
So the only scheduled precursor, from what I can tell, is GBL.
But GBL can be relatively easily obtained with a bit of searching, or even synthesized yourself from OTC chemicals.
This is the synthesis procedure, according to Rhodium:Synthesis: 80 grams (71.5ml) of gamma-Butyrolactone and 8 grams (4ml) 98% H2SO4 was dissolved in 500ml of methanol in a 1L erlenmeyer flask, which was left standing for a week with occasional swirling. Powdered sodium carbonate was carefully added until further additions did not produce foaming, then 20 grams anhydrous sodium sulfate was added to dry the solution. The solution was enhancemented and the excess solvent was removed by distilling up to 75°C, discarding the distillate. The concentrated residue was taken up in 250 ml of water and was extracted with 3x200ml CHCl3. The extracts was dried over MgSO4, and enhancemented with suction. The solvent was removed by distillation up to 80°C (save this impure chloroform, dry it over MgSO4 and re-distill it, saving the fraction between 60-62°C for reuse). The residue was fainty yellow, and was slowly poured into a 1000ml round-bottomed flask containing 80g acetic anhydride and 100ml pyridine, which was clamped in an ice-bath. After the addition was complete, the stoppered flask was left overnight with the ice allowed to melt. A solution of 100ml concentrated hydrochloric acid (12M), 100 ml water and 200g of ice was prepared and carefully added. Two layers formed, and 100 ml chloroform was added. The aqueous layer was extracted with three 100 ml portions of chloroform, and the nonaqueous layer was combined with the extracts. The extract was carefully treated with 50ml saturated aqueous sodium bicarbonate in a separatory funnel (a lot of CO2 gas was evolved), followed by shaking, and the aqueous layer was removed. The organic layer was then washed with 50 ml saturated sodium chloride solution, then dried over anhydrous magnesium sulfate, and enhancemented. The dried solution was freed from chloroform by distilling up to 100°C (save this impure chloroform, and purify as above). The residue was a slightly yellow liquid amounting about 60ml. This was distilled at the water pump, discarding the fore-run consisting of mostly pyridine. The ester came over at 97-107°C, and was clear, water-white and had a high index of refraction. Yield about 35 grams of pure methyl 4-acetoxybutanoate.
The more I re-read it, the less motivated I become, because that's kind of a lot of chemicals required compared to, say, GBL ==> GHB.
But, again, if anyone by any chance has tried it and would give it raving reviews, it might be worth reconsidering.
TL;DR (regarding its effects): It is described as a long-acting "muscle relaxant", but then again, so is GBL, and I tried some GBL before turning it into GHB and it wasn't really all that great. Heck, I don't even really enjoy the feeling from GHB all that much, hence all my reading into analogs (partially inspired by Ghost's post in the same thread).
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By the way, I'm kinda new to clandestine chemistry, so let me know if I need to reword anything to better avoid the attraction of law enforcement officials - either to NiS, or to my front door for that matter (Canadian resident for legal reference). -
2018-12-31 at 11:14 PM UTCnope but i'm down
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2018-12-31 at 11:18 PM UTCmeh muscle relaxers aren't very fun, I have pretty much unlimited access to them but never take them
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2018-12-31 at 11:19 PM UTCChloroform is a bitch to source and expensive.
acetic anhydride and pyridine are definitely watched chemicals but you don't need that much. You might be able to make some of this stuff but that also has problems associated with it.
There might be a way to do it with more OTC chemicals like glacial acetic acid or something.The following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire! -
2018-12-31 at 11:23 PM UTC
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2018-12-31 at 11:23 PM UTC
Originally posted by Madman meh muscle relaxers aren't very fun, I have pretty much unlimited access to them but never take them
Are you talking about, like, Cyclobenzaprine and that kind of thing? Or more like Carisoprodol?
From what I gather, they aren't particularly recreational (in the sense that they don't induce major euphoria or any such thing), but curiosity is kinda motivating me to a certain extent - especially since all three of these muscle relaxants seem to have very different mechanisms of action. -
2018-12-31 at 11:24 PM UTCI tried BUTT once.. I was relieved to find out it was mixed with some PUSS..
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2018-12-31 at 11:24 PM UTCWhere the fuk u getting this GBL
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2018-12-31 at 11:26 PM UTC
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2018-12-31 at 11:29 PM UTC
Originally posted by Ghost Chloroform is a bitch to source and expensive.
acetic anhydride and pyridine are definitely watched chemicals but you don't need that much. You might be able to make some of this stuff but that also has problems associated with it.
There might be a way to do it with more OTC chemicals like glacial acetic acid or something.
Hmm, shit, yeah I was looking into the above chemicals since they are kinda new to me. I actually thought chloroform might be scheduled, which it doesn't appear to be; watched, though, I can understand that.
But it seems relatively straight forward to synthesize, isn't it? Again, I may be way out of my element here, but isn't it's synthesis relatively straightforward?200 g of fresh bleaching powder are ground up to a thin paste with 800 ml of water. The mixture is transferred to a large flask fitted with a distillation condenser and receiving flask. 40 g of acetone or ethanol are then added and the reaction mixture is cautiously heated until the reaction sets in. Th chloroform is removed by distillation and the distillate is washed with dilute solution of sodium hydroxide, dried over calcium chloride, and then redistilled. Chloroform is a heavy colorless liquid with a sweet smell boiling point 61° C. Yield about 40 g.
From prepchem..
acetic anhydride and pyridine, though, I still have to do some more research on those.
Yeah, it's starting to seem kinda unwieldy for such a non-recreational drug.
But then again, there are other reasons to motivate the synthesis, including the chemistry in and of itself.
I'm still undecided (but leaning towards 'no' unless anyone has any first-hand experience that might persuade me otherwise). -
2018-12-31 at 11:38 PM UTC
Originally posted by gadzooks Hmm, shit, yeah I was looking into the above chemicals since they are kinda new to me. I actually thought chloroform might be scheduled, which it doesn't appear to be; watched, though, I can understand that.
But it seems relatively straight forward to synthesize, isn't it? Again, I may be way out of my element here, but isn't it's synthesis relatively straightforward?
From prepchem..
acetic anhydride and pyridine, though, I still have to do some more research on those.
Yeah, it's starting to seem kinda unwieldy for such a non-recreational drug.
But then again, there are other reasons to motivate the synthesis, including the chemistry in and of itself.
I'm still undecided (but leaning towards 'no' unless anyone has any first-hand experience that might persuade me otherwise).
The part about the water pump confuses me I think they mean a vacuum distillation but it doesn't say that specifically. -
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2018-12-31 at 11:55 PM UTCThe following users say it would be alright if the author of this post didn't die in a fire!
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2018-12-31 at 11:58 PM UTCOh man that is so cool how exothermic the haloform reaction.
I remember when I was doing GBL ==> GHB and the temperature was rising, it was just kinda fun/cool/exciting. And the temperature rose way slower in that reaction (no intermittent freezing required).
But man, it was like being a kid again and doing chemistry experiments in school.
I need to get a digital thermometer though... -
2018-12-31 at 11:59 PM UTC
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2019-01-01 at 12:04 AM UTCSo apparently the haloform reaction consists of the slow (exothermic) addition of acetone to sodium hypochlorite, followed by decanting the top layer, and then using a separatory funnel for the rest (I recently bought one on Amazon - haven't used it yet though).
It looks something like this:
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2019-01-01 at 12:06 AM UTCOk, the distillation part I need to learn more about... That contraption (in the video) looks pretty damn complicated, to be honest.
